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[OC] Lost Leagues: History of the Professional Spring Football League (1992)

Competing football leagues in the offseason is all the rage right now. The Alliance of American Football started up this year, and promptly ended this year without even finishing its first season. And, the XFL is starting up again in 2020 (it’s almost impossible for the league to be as big of a failure as it was in 2001, when it flamed out in a blaze of glory).
Here’s the thing with other football leagues- I love getting my football fix at all times of the year. I was glued to my TV during AAF season, and watched practically every Orlando Apollos game. And when then XFL starts again in 2020, you can bet that I’ll be watching with a keen eye. There’s big names attached to the XFL, there’s financial backing, there’s a TV contract that is nothing short of impressive (half the games on network TV), and the rule changes look interesting.
But here’s the thing with other football leagues- 99 percent of them don’t work. In terms of outdoor professional football leagues in the United States, the only two outside of the NFL that worked were the AFL and the AAFC; they don’t exist anymore because they combined with the NFL. It’s extremely hard to get a pro football league up and running and give it any kind of success. There’s tons of leagues that have fallen by the wayside.
Case in point- the Professional Spring Football League.
Now seems like as good of a time as ever to revive the Lost Leagues series, where I take a look at failed professional football leagues. Some leagues, such as the United Football League post that kicked off the series two years ago, you may recognize. Others, like this one, you’ve probably never heard of. In fact, this league made such little of an impact that if you do a Google search for “Professional Spring Football League”, every link on the first page of results has absolutely nothing to do with the PSFL that I’m talking about.
With all of that said, let’s take a look at the incredibly short-lived existence of the Professional Spring Football League.
Part I: A Puzzling Formation
The league announced its existence on October 1, 1991, less than a year before the league was set to play in 1992. Already, you might be able to spot a major problem with this. There was already a pro football league in the spring in 1991, and that was the World League of American Football. That league had a lot of things that the PSFL would not wind up getting. For starters, it had the backing of the NFL. The league owners wanted to create a developmental football league in the spring that would also give the sport popularity overseas. The WLAF also had a television contract; not only were games shown on ABC and USA Network, but those networks actually paid the WLAF for the TV rights.
There were so many failed spring football leagues, and now, the PSFL was going to directly compete against a spring football league that actually had the backing of the NFL. Let’s put that in perspective. Professional hockey in Atlanta has not worked. The Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary in part because of low attendance, and the Atlanta Thrashers moved to Winnipeg in part because of low attendance. Imagine if the NHL decided, for whatever reason, to go back to Atlanta. Now imagine that after this announcement is made, a competing hockey league (and I use competing very loosely) announces that they’re going to be putting a team in Atlanta, and the season is going to run at the same time as the NHL. Why would that make any sense for the competing hockey league to do? Already, the league was behind.
But let’s take a look at that other pro league that was playing in the spring, and is still somewhat remembered to this day. The WLAF, in its inaugural season, averaged 25,361 fans per game. On its surface, that’s really good. However, if you take out the three European teams (London Monarchs, Frankfurt Galaxy, Barcelona Dragons) and the one Canadian team (Montreal Machine), you’re left with six American teams. Here’s the average attendance of those American teams:
Team Average Attendance
New York/New Jersey Knights 32,322
Birmingham Fire 25,442
Orlando Thunder 19,018
Sacramento Surge 17,994
San Antonio Riders 14,853
Raleigh-Durham Skyhawks 12,753
AVERAGE 20,397
Why do I bring this up? Let’s be very clear- an average attendance of 20,397 for a football league’s inaugural season is still extremely good… but only two of the six teams cleared 20,000. Remember that this was the league with the NFL’s backing and a relatively lucrative TV contract (it was in the eight figure range according to some reports). In the PSFL, a league with neither the league’s backing nor any TV contract to speak of, they needed each team to average 20,000 fans per game to stay afloat. Per the article:
[President] Vince Sette and the other league organizers figure each team will need to average just 20,000 fans per game to make this endeavor work. And they're not counting on television revenue to bail them out.
Each team needs to average just 20,000 fans per game? That’s all it’s going to take? A number that four out of six teams in the WLAF couldn’t reach? A number that, in the final season of the USFL, 8 out of the league’s 14 teams couldn’t reach? That seems like a fantastic business model that can’t possibly fail. You can probably already see some of the inevitable failures and red flags with this league just based off of the model.
But remember when I said that the PSFL did not have a TV contract? That doesn’t mean that they didn’t get some exposure on TV, in the form of an introduction video that aired on SportsChannel New York in 1991 (even though the league did not have any teams in New York). The video is… well, let’s just take a look at the video, because there’s a lot to dissect.
Part II: An Even More Puzzling Video
I have no idea how I found this video, seeing as it has a grand total of 398 views on YouTube, two likes, and two comments. However, this is an absolute gold mine. This was a half-hour special aired on SportsChannel a few months prior to the launch of the league, and man, is it a weird video in all its early-90s cheese and glory. The first thing you’ll notice is that the commissioner of this league is Rex Lardner. About a quarter century later, he would try launching another pro football league in the spring. Considering the fact that the league has 195 likes on Facebook and the only video on the league’s website is literally five seconds long and is just a horribly-done Microsoft Word logo, I’m guessing that league is dead and that he learned nothing from the failures of this league.
After a shot of a logo that looks somewhat similar to the USFL logo, we get an introduction by a man who, literally less than one minute into the video, tries to stop skepticism of fans. In the first minute, they acknowledge that every other attempt has failed. That’s rather comforting. However, they explain why this league is different and won’t fail, and it’s because Vincent Sette (the founder and president of the league) said that he researched the other leagues. Checking in on what happened to Sette after the league’s demise, and it turns out that he’s doing great.
The founder of the league was also known Vincent Setteducate. There appear to have been no criminal charges filed in the aftermath of the PSFL. Five years later, he was charged by the SEC in a wire fraud case, and pleaded guilty, sentenced to five years probation and ordered to pay $300,000 in restitution in another business venture. He has had other brushes with the law as well.
And yes, according to this article, he goes by both names of Vincent Sette and Vincent Setteducate. Getting back to the video, after he promises that the league is going to work because he researched at the New York Public Library, you’ll also notice that Walt Michaels is the Director of Football Operations. I’ll give the league credit for that- Michaels is a recognizable name; in six seasons with the Jets and two seasons with the New Jersey Generals of the USFL, he’s made the playoffs four times, and only had a losing record twice. He even guided the Jets to the AFC Championship in the 1982 strike-shortened season. Unfortunately, that’s the only recognizable front office figure associated with this league. Not once in the video does it mention any coaches associated with the league. Considering the league was starting up in spring of 1992 (the first game seemed to be scheduled for February 29), and this TV special aired in late 1991, that seems like a major red flag. Again, just to reiterate- this league was announced on October 1, and the first game was to be played on February 29. People criticized the XFL the first time around for moving too quickly, but that was a year. This is less than five months. This is 151 days between announcement and the first game.
But how are the players in this league? Remember that the talent pool with any secondary football league is going to be somewhat worse; factor in the WLAF already existing in the spring, and the PSFL was playing third fiddle. They held three combines, with the one in the video taking place in Atlanta in October (less than a month after the creation of the league), and others taking place in December and January. Who were some of the players?
You know it’s a good sign when the first player that’s mentioned is Mickey Guidry. When the FIRST PLAYER YOU HIGHLIGHT is a man that threw 5 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in his four years at LSU from 1985-88 and a man who was so buried on the depth chart with the Sacramento Surge of the WLAF that he didn’t even throw a pass in 1991, that’s a horrible sign. Other quarterbacks in this league included Tony Rice (who threw 2 touchdowns and 9 interceptions in his final season at Notre Dame in 1989, completed 48.5% of his passes over his career, and was dreadful with the Barcelona Dragons in the WLAF in 1991 with one touchdown pass and three interceptions), Bobby McAllister (an atrocious QB in the WLAF in 1991 with Raleigh-Durham, throwing 7 touchdowns and 11 interceptions on 5.9 yards per attempt, a 46.7% completion percentage, and a passer rating of 54; Raleigh-Durham went winless), and Todd Hammel (a 12th round pick in 1990 who never played a snap, and then played in the WLAF with New York/New Jersey where he threw 2 touchdowns and 3 interceptions, had a passer rating of 53.7, completed just 45.5% of his passes, and averaged 5.8 yards per attempt). Remember- these were the guys they were highlighting, so this was their cream of the crop. Guys who were awful in the WLAF were, on paper, the best quarterbacks in this league.
As for the other offensive skill players, there were some recognizable names, even if they weren’t that good. Timmy Smith ran for a record-204 yards for Washington in Super Bowl XXII; he only had three regular season rushing touchdowns in his NFL career, and from 1989-91 (the three years before the PSFL’s scheduled inaugural season in 1992), had 6 rushing yards, but at least the name was recognizable. The second halfback mentioned is James Gray; while he was exceptional at Texas Tech, leading the Southwest Conference in 1989 with 1,509 rushing yards and 18 rushing touchdowns, he never played a down in the NFL after getting drafted by the Patriots in round five of the 1990 NFL Draft. Lydell Carr had a solid career with Oklahoma, but after getting drafted in the fourth round of the 1988 NFL Draft, did nothing in the NFL, never recording a single yard from scrimmage (in fairness, he did score eight touchdowns with the Barcelona Dragons in the 1991 season of the WLAF). And then, there was Lorenzo Hampton, who scored 28 touchdowns in his NFL career. Those were the four halfbacks highlighted; two of them never got a carry in the NFL. Quality-wise, that’s not good. Also, you may notice that half of this video is just the PSFL Combine and almost plays like a football instructional video; I’m not sure why this is.
Another major red flag with this video comes with the announcement of the teams. We’ll get to the teams later, but the map only shows nine cities, even though there’s supposed to be 10 teams in the league. That means that a new team would have to be announced and formed with roughly 70 days to go until the first game of the season. Good luck with that.
But how is this league going to be any different from the other leagues? After an interview with former BYU tight end Chris Smith that, no joke, starts off with the line, “I love children,” we find out how. For one, the players are going to do community service. There’s going to be autograph sessions. I’m failing to see how this is any different, but then we get two weird things. The first is that the games are going to be when the fans want. They’re scheduling for the fans. I have no idea what this even means. Does this mean that if the fans want them to play a game right now, that they’ll do it? The second is a cool idea but has no practicality whatsoever, and that is the universal ticket. Any fan who buys a season ticket to a PSFL team gets all of their team’s home games plus a universal ticket that can be used at any PSFL game. Good idea… but who’s flying halfway across the country to watch a PSFL game? Sette brings up the idea of staying at a hotel in Tampa for a PSFL game… who’s going to do that? It’s an interesting idea, but one that I’m sure nobody would actually use.
Some frequently asked questions about the league pop up next, and it’s always a good sign when one of the questions is whether or not a franchise can go under. The PSFL actually had a good idea with a single-entity structure; MLS has a similar system and it has worked well in ensuring the league’s survival. But here’s where it gets somewhat eyebrow-raising for me- each team has a salary cap of $2 million, and an average player salary of $45,000. Adjusting for inflation, today, the average player salary is around $82,000. That’s a pretty large amount for a minor football league. For some perspective, even the AAF’s average salary was less than that at $75,000 per season. And even though the AAF didn’t work, it had a TV contract and actual investors. This league was formed in the blink of an eye, had no TV revenue, had a business model that relied on a rather unattainable goal of 20,000 fans at every game, and yet, had a higher average salary per season when adjusted for inflation than the AAF.
After watching that video, it’s time to break down the actual markets chosen.
Part III: The Teams
The PSFL was pretty ambitious with their inaugural season, opting to have 10 teams play in the league. Four of the teams would be located in cities with NFL teams, with the other six teams being in unoccupied professional football markets. The New England Blitz seemed like an odd choice for a team. While the league stressed going into unoccupied markets, Boston already had a team in the NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL, so this completely defeats the purpose. Additionally, the Boston Breakers were in the USFL in 1983, and drew the smallest average attendance in the league at 12,735 fans per game. Why Boston was chosen for a team, I’m not sure. The other baffling location was the Washington Marauders at RFK Stadium; the Washington Federals of the USFL bombed horribly (second-to-last in attendance in 1983 and 1984, including an average of just 7,694 fans per game in 1984), and there was competition in the area with the Bullets of the NBA and the Capitals of the NHL.
However, every other city makes sense. I’ll give the PSFL credit- they seemed like they had a good idea of where to go with their teams. Going to Tampa Bay with the Tampa Bay Outlaws made complete sense- in the USFL, the Bandits consistently ranked near the top of the league in average attendance, proving that spring football in Tampa Bay could work (if it’s done correctly, the XFL team playing in Tampa Bay in 2020 could have a strong following, though it’ll be tougher now that the city has an NHL team and an MLB team). Miami didn’t have the Marlins yet or the Florida Panthers (although Sunrise is an hour away from Miami), so there was little competition in the area for a spring football team to thrive. The other six locations were teams without NFL teams. The Arkansas Miners played in Little Rock (no pro sports teams), the Carolina Cougars played in Columbia (no pro sports teams), the Nevada Aces played in Las Vegas (no pro sports teams), the New Mexico Rattlesnakes played in Albuquerque (no pro sports teams), the Oregon Lightning Bolts played in Portland (only the Trail Blazers as competition), and the Utah Pioneers played in Salt Lake City (no pro sports teams). Yes, travel costs were going to be high, but the market selection seemed promising with a bunch of mid-sized markets who were starving for pro sports.
The logos, though? My, are some of them bad.
A lot of these logos would’ve been outdated very quickly. I have no idea what the New England Blitz logo is trying to be. The Carolina Cougars logo looks like the logo from Monster Energy (though the Carolina logo predates the Monster logo). Nevada’s logo is just the Alcorn State logo with cards coming off of it. And then there’s the Utah Pioneers helmet, which is the exact same thing as the Cleveland Browns helmet minus a logo on it. Why the Miami Tribe were named what they were, I’m not sure, seeing as the actual Miami Tribe is based in Oklahoma.
They were already thinking about expansion. As mentioned in this article, they were looking at expanding to 12 teams in the near future, putting teams in Fresno and Austin; both were large cities with no pro sports team.
So, we’ve got our teams. We’ve got our video promoting the league (even though we don’t have a television contract). And, we’ve got a schedule culminating with the Red, White & Blue Bowl at RFK Stadium on July 5. How does the first season of the league go?
Part IV: Collapse & Conclusion
Already, cracks were starting to show in 1992. Businessman Nick Bunick bought the Portland team a month before the season started, and immediately wanted to change the name to the Oregon Chargers. I’m sure the NFL would’ve been thrilled by that. They just hired a coach a month before the season started by taking former NFL quarterback Craig Morton.
February rolled around, and it was less than a month before the start. And when February rolled around, I’ll let Squidward explain why the league was struggling.
In what can only be described as a shocked Pikachu face for a lot of these other leagues, they had no money. It was February 12, just 17 days before kickoff between the Tampa Bay Outlaws and Utah Pioneers, and the league was in serious trouble. The Miami Tribe folded. The commissioner, Rex Lardner, said that they were considering shutting down the league. The Washington Marauders, who were a late addition to the league to begin with, threatened to cease operations by the end of the week if the league didn’t provide adequate financial arrangements. Remember those plans that said that the league needed each team to average at least 20,000 fans per game to survive? Less than three weeks before the season, and Washington had sold 100 season tickets. One hundred. I’m shocked that the team that was announced hastily in a market with lots of competition already and in a market where the USFL failed miserably could barely sell 100 season tickets.
And, as it turns out, nobody got any money. Washington wide receivers coach Brian Gardner said he was owed $5,000, and never got it, stating that “I have as much chance of getting that as I do of catching the clouds in my hands right now.” The league lied when they said that it had $50 million in the bank; only a small percentage of that was actually in the bank. The schedule, set to start on February 29, was in danger of getting pushed back two weeks. And the Marauders were running an awful operation:
The Marauders operation is tight. All the equipment is in Room 131 of the team's headquarters here, a Quality Inn. The shoulder pads are piled atop two beds; face bars sit on a table. Other pads and several jerseys are in the bathroom.
[Cornerback] Barry Wilburn kept his football shoes on after the morning practice today. That was because the tape he'd bought and used to anchor the shoes to his feet had run out. There was no tape for anyone. Until the season starts, players are responsible for their own football shoes. They pay their way to training camp -- and their way home if cut.
One week later, the league folded. On February 19, 1992, the PSFL shut down operations, and never played a single game. And thus, another professional football league collapsed. Considering the lack of name recognition or the lack of a TV deal, and considering the WLAF already happening in the spring of 1992 while this league was trying to get underway, I’m not sure many people noticed that this league died. But it goes to show you that trying to start a football league in five months is usually a bad idea.
Previous Posts
History of the United Football League (2009-2012)
History of the Spring Football League (2000)
History of the Fall Experimental Football League (2013-2015)
History of the Stars Football League (2011-2013)
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Top 10 for the draft?

Well, you can tell its the offseason cuz its been dead around here lately. In the spirit of sparking discussion, I thought I'd ask everyone what their top 10 is for the upcoming draft! This year seems to be a bit of a blender after the top 2, so there should be plenty of disagreement and discussion to go around! I'll start the discussion with my personal list, which has been constantly evolving lately. **DISCLAIMER:** I am not a scout. My list is based mostly off of highlights and what I've read online. I have seen many of these players play in international tournaments and I caught a good amount of the recent U18 games, but I am not and expert, just a passionate fan. If your list is different then mine, explain why you like/dislike some players more than me. Without further delay, my top 10 is:
1)Jack Hughes C USA https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe305432/jack-hughes
Undisputed #1 in my mind. Elite in all areas of his game and will be a game changer at the NHL level as early as next season. The shinning star of a very talented USDP crop. Y'all already know who he is so that all imma say about him. If you have any doubts about him just look at his stat line or watch any highlight video of him. If Jersey passes up on him I'll be extremely shocked.
2) Kaapo Kakko RW FIN https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe396655/kaapo-kakko
The undisputed #2 in this draft. Kaapo is a beast and excels in all areas of the game. Put up a very impressive season as a 17 year old in the Finish men's league this year and had better point totals than Laine, Kotkaniemi and Barkov at the same age. Projects to be an offensive threat in the NHL as early as next season. If you haven't heard of him yet you been sleepin. Much like Hughes, I don't feel like I need to go into much detail with this guy. No chance he slips past 2.
3) Vasili Podkolzin RW RUS https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe512832/vasili-podkolzin
This is where things start to get a bit murky. Podkolzin is the best bet to go 3rd overall this year, but its not as sure a thing as the last 2 guys. I personally am very high on him. He has incredible offensive skills, from his hands to his shot to his passing to his speed to his overall IQ, there isn't much to dislike. To top it all off, he is responsible in his own end and can even kill penalties. The fact that he was killing penalties for Russia at the U20s this year speaks volumes, especially since 18 year olds don't usually even play much for them in that tournament. However, the thing I like most about him is his insane compete level. The guy is unrelenting, like a dog on a bone with the puck. He's losing a little bit of hype lately because of a somewhat disappointing performance at the recent U18s, but having watched a few of his games there, I'd say he was still playing extremely well despite not putting up points. You could tell that he was a step above most of the players on the ice when he had the puck on his stick. He might not be in the NHL next year, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was. Regardless of when he makes it to the league, you can count on him being an offensive force to be reckoned with once he gets there.
4) Bowen Byram LD CAN https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe326522/bowen-byram
The best defenceman in the draft as far as I can see. He's elite at both ends of the ice and can be counted on in any situation. Put up over a PPG in the WHL this year, and to cap it all off he plays for the Vancouver Giants. (Not to suggest that where he plays in junior should be too much of a contributing factor, just a nice coincidence for Canucks fans.) He can quarterback a powerplay, kill penalties, and everything in between. The way he jumps up in the rush sometimes is like he's a fourth forward on the ice, but he also manages to be defensively responsible while doing it. Boasts elite speed and hockey IQ, and is a physical force on the ice; he can deliver some mean body checks. I doubt he slips very far past 5, so if the Canucks want him they'll have to trade up.
5) Alex Turcotte C USA https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe290043/alex-turcotte
Insanely talented and projects to be a #1 center in the NHL. If it weren't for Hughes, I think he'd be getting a lot more love. He was relegated to the second line on the USDP and still managed to put up almost 2 PPG. Possesses elite offensive skills with great hands, passing, shooting, skating and Hockey IQ. He's responsible in his own end and was counted on to kill penalties for the US team. Despite his offensive arsenal, some scouts praise his 2 way game above all else. He also plays with an edge to his game and likes to get in the heads of his opponents. I love this guy and if he somehow falls to the Canucks I'll be ecstatic.
6) Cole Cawfield RW USA https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe316168/cole-caufield
Possibly the best pure goal scorer in the draft. He was over a GPG with the USDP this year and put up an astounding 2 GPG in the recent U18s, tying Alex Ovechkin's record for goals in one tournament there (14). He's very short at 5'6", but he has so much talent that I honestly can't see it holding him back. I had my doubts about him at first, but the more I see him play the more they disappear. He boasts an elite x10 shot and can score top cheddar from anywhere in the offensive zone with ease. If he slips past 10 this year I think the Canucks will look silly for not taking a chance on him.
7) Dylan Cozens C CAN https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe286938/dylan-cozens
The Yukon native had a very impressive year in the WHL this year, leading his team in points. He's a big bodied center and a legitimate offensive threat. He boasts a very good shot and is a fast skater, but what makes him stand out to me most is his playmaking and hockey IQ. He plays a 200 foot game and is considered to be a 2 way forward. I see Dylan as a surefire NHLer given his mix of skill and size, so he's a very safe pick. I was also impressed with his performance with Canada at the recent U18 tournament.
8) Matthew Boldy LW USA https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe375501/matthew-boldy
Played on the second line of the USDP with Turcotte as his center and put up impressive numbers in that somewhat limited ice time. He has good size and projects as a power forward at the NHL level. He has a very good shot and excellent IQ, but the most impressive part of his offensive game is his passing skills. They are elite by all standards and he can thread a no look saucer pace right on the tape. The best way I can think to describe his passing is drool-worthy. Much like Turcotte, he is responsible in his own end and was relied upon to kill penalties for the USDP. His skating isn't great, but I don't think it will hinder him at the NHL level. I think he would be a perfect line mate for Boesser and Pettersson and would love it if he was available to the Canucks at 10.
9) Trevor Zegras C/LW USA https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe424453/trevor-zegras
Another elite offensive talent from this years USDP crop. Possesses elite hands, a great shot, and elite passing. Some have raised concern that he might be riding the coattails of Hughes and Cawfield, but I see him as an elite offensive talent in his own right. Some of his passes are just out of this world and he has very good hockey IQ. Like Boldy, I think he would be a fantastic line mate for Pettersson and Boesser.
10) Philip Broberg LD SWE https://www.eliteprospects.com/playe349467/philip-broberg
2 way defenceman with a great first pass, elite skating, and the skills to quarterback a powerplay at the NHL level. He's big bodied and not afraid to lay a hit, but physicality isn't a staple of his game per say. In the dzone, he is great at blocking shots and passing lanes and can get the puck out with ease. He's a human break out and zone entry machine. Like Byram, he often seems like a 4th forward on the ice but has no trouble getting back to his own end when he needs to, thanks in large part to his aforementioned skating ability. I initially had Soderstrom ranked higher because he's a right shot and played in the Swedish men's league for a large portion of the season, but I was extremely impressed with him at the recent U18s and decided to move him up. He also has higher potential than Soderstrom in my opinion and comes with the added bonus of not having a concussion right now.
Honourable mentions: Victor Soderstrom, Cam York, Alex Newhook, Peyton Krebs, Kirby Dach.
Now it's your turn: What is your top 10 for the upcoming draft? Have I oveunder rated anyone in your opinion? Have I left someone out all together? Let me know in the comments! Remember that this is just my opinion and it's ok to disagree with me, lets keep it civil. Thanks for reading!
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Nashville vs Montreal

Matt Duchene will be a prime target of the Canadiens and of the Predators. However the Predators were said to be the favourites after dealing PK Subban and clearing 9Mil. But here's the thing: it's never all about money. It's also about winning. PK Subban, despite the down year was still the second best d-man on the Preds incredible blue line. That blue line is the reason they've been so successful. However they just lost a huge part of that blue line. So knowing that the Preds' forte is their defense and that that's what explains why they've been in contention the last few years, what happens if you remove not only Shea Weber but also the guy he was traded for in PK Subban? Dante Fabbro won't just step in and fill the void.
Now let's look look at cap space. The Nashville Predators have around 13 million in cap space and only have Colton Sissons as a significant RFA to resign thus leaving enough space to re-sign Duchene, right? WRONG! Why? Because Roman Josi, the team's captain and best d-man will be looking for upwards of 9-9.5M as a UFA and it will be in Nashville's best interest to get him signed this summer rather than the next because that number will only trend higher. And guess what? It's not just him. The Nashville Predators also have Mikael Granlund to re-sign next year and you can bet they'll want to keep him after giving up young gun Kevin Fiala in return for him. Oh and there's also Craig Smith (though I doubt they keep him) and Austin Watson. If they sign Duchene, who will likely command 9.5/10.5 they'd be hurting themselves. Now let's look at the Habs' situation: yes they have Max Domi to re-sign next year. And yes they have Lehkonen and Armia this year. But they're in less cap trouble than Nashville is. The Habs will have a few up and coming prospects and will be forced to trade a few vets like Andrew Shaw, Paul Byron and maybe even Tomas Tatar to make place for guys like Cole Caufield, Nick Suzuki and Ryan Poehling up front in the next year or two. So I think we're set cap-wise more than Nashville is.
Now, which team will prove more attractive in the future? This is important because Duchene will likely sign a 7 year deal. It'll probably be his last major pay day and since its long term he'll want to look to contribute on a team destined for runs. The Montreal Canadiens will have a core of Domi, Drouin, KK, Gallagher, Caufield, Suzuki, Poehling, Danault, Weber, Romanov, Mete and Price. The Predators will have Forsberg, Johansen (overrated), Arvidsson, Josi, Ekholm, Ellis and Fabbro as their core (maybe also Granlund and Tolvanen). The key here is goaltending. Rinne is getting up in age and the only viable replacement for him is Juuse Saros who definitely has starter potential but who won't be an elite one. On the Habs side of things you have Carey Price, friend of Duchene, considered by many as the best goalie in the world. Yes he will also age but this is where Cayden Primeau comes in. He's proven to be the biggest steal in the 2017 NHL draft and has the potential to be elite especially with a mentor like Carey Price. So as for the near future the Habs are set and look much better than Nashville's team.
In conclusion I think that the fact that Nashville is automatically being penciled in as the destination for Duchene is wrong. They are a strong contender but I truly believe that the Habs have what it takes to convince him to sign here. Also he's friends with Price and Weber (international stage+he speaks highly of them). And i know some of you would rather not go for a guy like him and that's fine you're entitled to your own opinions. However I think he would put us over the hump and make us contenders. So yes the future is bright but adding an elite player to that future would be the icing on the cake.
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Who should we take in the 2018 NHL draft?

I apologize for further saturating the already saturated supply of draft discussion posts, but I have yet to see a post where everyone actually lists what their top 9 prospects are (since we might end up picking anywhere in the top 9 depending how the lottery goes) and explains their selections. I'm curious what the general consensus is on this sub (if there is any) and find the discussions about the draft interesting during the offseason.
I'll start it off with my personal opinion. I think we should pick the highest ranked player on this list who is remaining whenever we pick. I recognize that we clearly have an organizational need for quality defensive prospects, but I also believe that when you're drafting in the top 10 its best to take BPA if they're a clear cut above the rest. We also don't have enough forward depth to be choosy about quality prospects yet in my opinion. If I consider two prospects to be relatively equal, I will give the nod to the defensemen over the forward. If you feel I ranked a player too low or too high, or if I missed someone entirely, please feel free to let me know! Lets talk about it in the comments!
1. Rasmus Dahlin (LH D but can play the right side)
Clear #1 prospect and on a tier of his own. He's like Hedman with better puck skills and is likely NHL ready.
2. Andrei Svechnikov (LH RW)
Best forward of the draft to me. I love his skating, particularly his lateral movement, and his ability to rush the net. He also has an NHL ready shot and strength. His playmaking is slept on too and he's just an all around beast. He's on a level of his own to me as well and is the clear #2 prospect. As a Russian forward likely to get drafted second overall, the obvious comparison to make would be Malkin, whose playing style is very similar to his as well. He will likely be dominant in the NHL.
3. Filip Zadina (LH LW)
Consistently ranked in the top 3, I think he is probably a safer bet than any other remaining players in the draft to be a top line NHLer. Offensively spectacular with an amazing shot and hands. Weaknesses include a tendency to puck hog a bit and a somewhat weak defensive game. Reminds me of Jonathan Drouin which is funny because he played for halifax too.
4. Adam Boqvist (RHD)
Has all the tools to be an elite offensive defensemen. He's not as fast as Hughes, but thats more of a compliment to Hughes than a knock on him as he also has blistering speed. He doesn't really have a weakness as far as offence goes; be it his shot, passing, skating, IQ, or anything else. However, he does have some flaws in his overall game. He is undersized and although he is passable in the defensive zone he isn't excellent. He has also plateaued a bit in terms of development this year since he failed to secure himself a full-time role in the SHL. But, his SuperElite numbers are certainly nothing to snuff at and his performance at the U18s for Sweden was dominant, showing that he can more than keep up with the competition among his age group. This is further helped by the fact that he has a late birthday and is much younger than some of the other top prospects available in the draft; meaning he likely has more potential growth left in him than a lot of his fellow prospects. For example, Hughes is 10 months older than him and Tkachuk is 11 months older than him, almost a full year. Overall, I think he is a defensemen that plays the way the league is trending and has the best chance besides Dahlin to be a #1 defensemen in this draft.
5. Oliver Wahlstrom (RH C/RW)
The full offensive package. He has an amazing shot, dirty hands, great passing, a high hockey IQ, NHL size and great speed to go with it. He put up dominant numbers this year in the USHL and USDP and has committed to the well renowned Harvard program of the NCAA next year. It is still unknown if he can be a center in the NHL, but regardless of his position he is likely to be a serious offensive threat at the NHL level. I've heard comparisons to TJ Oshie but he reminds me of a more offensively skilled and less defensively skilled Jonathan Toews for some reason. I can't quite put my finger on it but I'm a huge fan of him regardless.
6. Quin Hughes (LHD)
He put up better numbers in the NCAA this year than last years #4 overall pick Cale Makar (D) and fellow top prospect for the 2018 draft Brady Tkachuk (LW) He has the best skating in the draft and it is elite even by NHL standards. He also has great vision, good hands and great passing. He has the potential to be an elite offensive defensemen and he plays in the way the NHL is trending; which can be seen in his ability to distribute the puck in the offensive zone (especially on the power play), and the way he creates zone entries seemingly at will. However, he also has some significant question marks in his game. He's even more undersized than Boqvist and since he's a full 10 months older, its less likely that he grows. His defensive game is also an area of concern and it remains to be seen whether he will be effective in his own zone against bigger players in a professional setting. He also has a very weak shot which explains his low goal count. Overall, he has a very high ceiling but is a boom or bust type prospect and is a bit of a risky pick.
7. Evan Bouchard (RHD)
A well rounded defensemen who has excelled both offensively and defensively at the OHL level. He had the most points and second most goals out of all the players on his team, as well as for all defensemen in the OHL, all at the young age of 18. He has a great shot, he's a good passer, he has NHL size and he's great positionally at both ends of the ice. He is also a great leader who wears the C for the London Knights and has excelled in this role. There are concerns about his skating but based on the footage I've seen this issue gets blown out of proportion. He will not be a fast skater by NHL standards but it shouldn't stop him from being a good player overall especially when considering the strength of rest of his skill set. That being said, the NHL today is increasingly focused on speed and this is enough to clearly separate him from the defensemen listed before him in my eyes. I see him as a very likely top 4 NHL defensemen who lacks elite upside.
8. Brady Tkachuk (LH LW/C)
After Bouchard, I think there is a clear drop off in terms quality of available defensemen so Tkachuk takes the next spot as the best forward available. Lets just get it over with right off the bat. This kid's a cunt, his dad was a cunt and his brother is a massive cunt who plays for Calgary (boo). To be honest, I actually really don't like the guy. That being said, he is a very good player who some scouts think may even be better than his brother. He has shown plenty of offensive skill at the international level, including his shot, his hands, his skating and his passing. He also has an NHL ready frame and plays a physical power forwards game; something the Canucks are currently lacking. He also has a decent 2-way game and is great in board battles. He's a rat who reminds me of a bigger Marchand and he may be worth taking just for the simple fact that if he's playing FOR us, he won't be playing AGAINST us. He is also constantly ranked highly by NHL scouts who clearly see something they like in his game. However, his numbers in the NCAA this year have been somewhat underwhelming. This combined with his alleged attitude issues may make us decide to pass him up. I personally don't think he'll be better than Matthew but I do think he will be a solid top 6 winger with size, offensive talent and grit. He does have a shot at becoming a first line winger though.
9. Ty Smith (LHD)
After Tkachuk, none of the remaining forwards really stand out from the pack to me. As such, if we pick 9th and all 8 previously listed players are gone, I would take the best defensemen available. To me, Smith is that defensemen. He is an all around talented player with great skating and no massive flaws in his game. He was the second highest scoring defensemen in the WHL this year and has legitimate top 4 NHL potential. He is a bit undersized, but no more so than any other prospect on this list.
Honourable mention: Noah Dobson (RHD)
Also had an impressive season statistically and is ranked highly on some prospect lists. The reason I gave the nod to Smith over him for the last spot is that Smith got more points than him and played in the harder league (WHL vs QMJHL). Dobson's skating looks kinda weird and awkward to me as well for some reason but he is certainly a legitimate prospect in his own right with top 4 NHL potential.
At the end of the day its reassuring to me that we will have good prospects available to us no matter where we pick. Hope you enjoyed reading!
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/r/hockey NHL Power Rankings Week 10: Hangover Edition

/Hockey NHL Power Rankings Week Dec 25, 2017 - Dec 31, 2017

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Rankings (19/31 Rankers Reporting)

Ranking (avg) Team Delta Overall Record Record This Week Comments
1 (2.67) Vegas Golden Knights 2 26-9-2 3-0-0 Hot like those little index cards with gorgeous women they hand out in vegas. are they for real? or not? only one way to find out...
2 (3.22) Tampa Bay Lightning -1 28-8-2 2-1-0 It's been a pretty great year for the Lightning, and they ended on a strong note with a 5-0 victory over Columbus. Johnson has exploded since shifting to Point's wing, Sergachev is exceptional, Vasy continues to prove he's among the best netminders in the league. Oh, and Kucherov leads the league in goals (25). So many things to celebrate - truly a phenomenal first half to the season. Here's hoping the Bolts carry that momentum into 2018!
3 (4.11) Washington Capitals 1 24-13-3 2-0-1 The Caps got back on track this week thanks in large part to Holtby and Grubauer. The latter of which has continued to play well on the season yet has 2-5-3 record. If there is a resolution to be made it should be scoring more goals for Grubauer so he can start adding some W’s to his stat column
4 (5.06) Nashville Predators 2 23-10-5 2-1-0 The Predators' New Year's resolution: eliminate the Perd
5 (5.72) Los Angeles Kings -3 23-11-5 1-0-1 Short week with the NHL holiday break. The Kings lost to VGK in OT (goddamnit Perron), followed up with a win against Vancouver. Happy New Year folks!
6 (6.83) Winnipeg Jets 1 23-11-6 3-0-0 2-0 this week, but marred by an UBI to Scheifele. 6-8 weeks without our 1C will definitely be a challenge, but the Jets have enough depth on paper to sustain their pace, and a favourable schedule through to March. Whether that depth translates from paper to practice remains to be seen. In short, 2 games. 2 wins. 2 injuries. Too bad.
7 (7.61) Boston Bruins 2 21-10-6 2-0-1 Bruins continue their red-hot streak, amassing 5 points of a possible 6. With a healthy team and secondary scoring, the Bruins continue their white-hot streak of late, playing some of their best hockey.
8 (8.72) New Jersey Devils -3 22-10-6 1-1-1 With the bye week next week New Jersey just needs to weather the storm that is the next three games against some of the top teams in the league.
9 (10.06) Toronto Maple Leafs 1 23-15-2 1-1-1 Lack of defense is really starting to catch up with this team. Polak looked spectacularly awful against vegas, and his inability to skate makes borgamn look worse. This team needs back, ASAP, cause it's going to be hard to win with our current bottom 3, even if carrick comes back. Magic Mitch and 'AM34 seem to have enough scoring touch to keep us in games, at least for now, which makes the whole thing bearable., and 3/4 points in ARI/COL isn't terrible.
10 (10.22) St. Louis Blues -2 24-15-2 1-2-0 Well, the fall continues, but the Blues have looked better these past few games. Two disappointing losses to two Division Rivals in Nashville and Dallas followed by the win against Carolina has shown me that we can function as a unit-- it's just a matter of consistency. But if key offensive players like Tarasenko and Stastny continue to slump, we're going to be fighting for a spot
11 (12.06) Columbus Blue Jackets - 22-15-3 0-2-1 I spent most of the first part of the season talking about how great a few players have been and what we could be if everyone who is slumping would stop. But now we get to see what happens when Bob, Panarin, Anderson, and Dubois has a bad week and everyone else is still slumping. Then answer is hockey that is almost as bad to watch as the second half of the Cotton Bowl.
12 (12.17) New York Rangers - 20-13-5 1-0-1 I feel like I'm saying, "At least we got a point," a lot recently. We've been narrowly winning and losing a lot of games recently. On the bright side, it seems like the holiday break may have broken us out of our slump, because we definitely have looked better since then. Now we look forward to the Winter Classic!
13 (13.89) Dallas Stars - 22-15-3 2-1-0
14 (14.22) San Jose Sharks 1 20-12-4 1-1-0
15 (14.28) New York Islanders -1 20-15-4 1-2-0 Mathew Barzal is still lighting the league on fire and the Islanders first line may be the most productive in the NHL. Defending is a serious issue with De Haan out for months and Boychuk out for a while as well. Team needs its rookies to step up including first time NHLers like Sebastian Aho (2.0).
16 (16.33) Minnesota Wild 1 20-16-3 2-1-0 The Wild fell a bit flat Saturday night in Nashville, once again seeing the 3rd period be their downfall. It slightly lessens the enthusiasm of the previous home wins over Dallas and the same Nashville club that later beat them. The big news is that the team is looking healthier now with Devan Dubnyk back and rumors that Nino Neiderreiter potentially returns next week along with the season debut of Zach Parise.
17 (17.11) Carolina Hurricanes 3 18-13-7 2-1-0 Hey, I bet you didn't notice that the Canes have won 7 of their last 9 games. That's probably because it's hard as hell to gain ground in the metro... In any case, this is essentially our fanbase sitting on the doorstep of a playoff spot
18 (18.11) Pittsburgh Penguins -2 19-18-3 1-2-0 Call it a “Stanley Cup Hangover” or “Vegas Flu” but this team is not even close to being a contender. This team is limping towards their bye week and needs to start racking up some wins before the season is lost
19 (18.78) Chicago Blackhawks -1 18-14-6 1-1-1 New Years resolutions for Chicago: 1. Get Toews going. 2. Get Saad going. 3. Play consistent defense. 4. Not suck against Dallas. Seems easy enough? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, happy new year and LGH!
20 (19.67) Anaheim Ducks 4 18-14-8 2-1-0 The Ducks' New Year's resolution: hit the gym, eat their veggies, stay fucking healthy
21 (20.83) Florida Panthers 5 17-16-5 2-0-0 The return of Optimus Reim has the Panthers competing for a playoff spot? A couple weeks ago I would thought we were competing for a top draft pick
22 (21.17) Philadelphia Flyers 1 16-14-8 1-1-0
23 (21.67) Calgary Flames -4 19-16-4 1-1-1
24 (21.78) Colorado Avalanche 1 19-16-3 2-1-0 I am going to use a quote from Anberlin_XI "Yeah it sucks but I’m content with how the Avs have played this year. They’ve definitely beaten teams they shouldn’t have, but lost to teams they shouldn’t have which sucks" This week demonstrated that, lose to Arizona beat Toronto and NYI. The Good news is Nathan Mackinnon is tied for 5th is Points in the Whole NHL. There are certainly things to be excited about, but we still fail to really show up to some games and you cannot do that if you want to keep pushing for the playoffs.
25 (24.83) Edmonton Oilers -4 17-19-3 0-2-1 Can we go back in time to last week? Last week was a good week. We went into Christmas incredibly optimistic and left the year with a shitty attitude
26 (25.78) Vancouver Canucks 1 16-18-5 1-1-0 Despite the surprising success of the makeshift top line of Thomas Vanek, Sam Gagner, and Brock Boeser, the Canucks are simply too banged up to do anything but slide down the Western Conference standings at the moment. With other Western teams surging and players like Bo Horvat and Sven Baertschi still weeks away, Canuck fans are starting to turn their attention away from a potential playoff run and toward the impending trade deadline.
27 (26.17) Montreal Canadiens -6 16-19-4 0-3-0
28 (26.28) Detroit Red Wings - 15-16-7 2-1-0 Remember when Mrazek was the Wings undisputed #1 and that we should trade Howard? My how times have changed
29 (28.28) Buffalo Sabres - 10-20-8 1-0-1 Buffalo Bills have made the playoffs! At least one team owned by the Pegulas can do something right
30 (28.67) Ottawa Senators - 12-17-8 1-2-0 At some point you have to feel that Duchene has a curse that follows him. How else do you explain last years Avalanche and the fact the Sens have 4 wins in their last 21 games
31 (29.72) Arizona Coyotes - 9-27-5 1-2-0 Destroyed by the Leafs. Blown out by the Ducks. But at least we got a win against Colorado. Gotta keep focusing on the positives.
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Are Paul Stastny and Max Pacioretty still top 6 forwards? Will Mark Stone still be one 5 years from now?

Question #1 is in the title. Stastny used to look like a pretty dynamic player to me when he played for the Avs, playing with Forsberg Sakic and those boys at the end of their careers. Now watching him the last few years, it looks like he doesn't have the speed to back off defensemen at the offensive blueline, and that he can't get very much separation in the offensive zone to make plays, and that he's not powerful enough physically to create separation using size rather than speed either.
Pacioretty, I never watched the Habs play much, but he was always all over the highlights every night as like the breakaway king of the NHL. Sort of average size but he was one of the premier speed/great shot guys back then. However, despite being skilled as well, always seemed mostly a straight line player, and you need to be super fast if you're going to rely on beating teams just in straight lines, sort of doing the same things repeatedly.
Now when I watch him, if he had 95/100 speed before, now it looks like 75/100. He still has the shot I think, but doesn't get many chances to use it from grade A scoring areas like before, from what I can see.
As for question two, this thread on /hockey explains it in more detail, but basically the general idea is, there have been very few slow players in the NHL the last ten years who people thought were elite players who actually really were, and even of the few that were, most of them did not remain so for very long, and of the few that did, most of them did not remain so past their early thirties, so if slow but 50 goal scorers like Dany Heatley couldn't do it, offensively, if Bobby Ryan couldn't, if even Ryan Getzlaf at 32 and 33 started showing signs that he won't, what makes Vegas believe that Mark Stone will? Is he really THAT good? I understand he's an underrated player in Ottawa but is he THAT underrated? Is he really a superstar? Why has he never hit 80 points before then? Why even at 26 years old, pre-decline, were Dallas and Florida the last two games successfully able to stand up his line of Stastny, Pacioretty, and Stone at the blueline and force dump ins far too often, which granted, they often recovered due to a combination of Stone's awesome hockey sense and puck retrieval/intercepting/knock-down ability, and poolazy/tired play from the opposition, but which is still not the most usual, most sustainable recipe for success we are used to seeing from elite players.
Just look at any of the top 5 or 10 scorers this season, and without looking myself, I'm betting 9 of 10, probably all 10, are players who we would unanimously agree are capable of skating the puck into the offensive zone with clear clean possession pretty much at will by themselves, players who have top end speed. I guess what I'm asking is, is Mark Stone really SO SPECIAL at everything else that he is the one, along with maybe one or two others (Tavares so far, Pavelski, Thornton), who can be, and remain, an elite forward without much footspeed? And will that even be possible 5 years from now if the rest of the NHL has gone entirely in the speed direction? Because right now, most games Mark Stone plays, there will at least still be a couple slower dmen on the other team, and wingers, who he can outskate. But 5 years from now, they may ALL be phased out of the NHL, and then EVERY opposing player is going to be whistling by Stone's ears whenever he tries to get near the puck.
Or am I overstating it? Because I really am I fan of the rest of his game. Hockey sense I would almost put in that Sidney Crosby, Wayne Gretzky stratosphere, the highest of the high. Hands probably some of the surest in the NHL. Shot power is very good, probably the tier right below the Ovechkin's, Stamkos', etc, and shot accuracy I would say is in the same tier as those players, in fact when I watch him I almost want to say higher, but the fact his career high goal total is half of their career high goal totals for a season makes me hesitate to say that (or, is it true his shot is more accurate than theirs, but it's just proof of the importance of speed that even being way bigger than Stamkos and slightly bigger than OV, and having a more accurate shot, and probably having better hockey sense, he still can't score at half the rate they do? Cuz that wouldn't surprise me at all). Passing! How many snipers and defensive stalwarts are also Joe Thornton level passers? He is but again, prime Thornton put up 120 points, Stone I don't think has put up 80 yet. And yeah in Thornton's prime era 10+ years ago, this version of Stone might have put up 120 too, who knows, but if so, that's exactly part of the problem, that slow players who had success back then might not anymore, and players with Stone's level of footspeed likewise might have some success now, but not in x years...
And lastly as I've already said, everything about Stone's defensive game is good too except for him not being fast, and then to make the problem worse, it seems like he knows that and he intentionally coasts as much as possible in the defensive zone in order to save what speed he has for when he needs it during the shift, which 90% of the time he judges the situation correctly, but the other 10% leads to someone speeding by him and getting open for a potential grade A scoring chance against. But overall he is a plus player even for a bad team by every metric, and a good defensive player.
His ability to tip pucks... also exceptional. In many ways Stone is a 6'4 I'm guessing 215 lbs version of Joe Pavelski, who incidentally is one of the only non-superstar "slow" forwards to maintain his expected production from his prime into his mid-thirties. So if anyone wanted to use that as the reason why Vegas expects the same from Stone, I beat you to it, and I definitely see the logic, but it still begs the question, just because Pavelski can do it now, would he be able to if he was playing right now in the 2025 version of the NHL instead of 2019? Plus bigger isn't always better. If you're already slow, maybe better to be small and slow so you can slip in and out of where you need to go. Alex Debrincat is who comes to mind but Pavelski is also a good example of maybe a happy medium. In other words, Bobby Ryan, Pavelski, and Debrincat might all have identical top footspeed, but Pavelski and Debrincat being smaller than Ryan probably actually give them an advantage in agility and small area maneuvers that are critical for forwards who don't have top footspeed to be able to create separation for themselves with the puck in the offensive zone and get to their spots uninhibited to let shots go.
But, I'm curious to learn more about Stone. I'm rooting for Vegas to win it all this year, but extremely perplexed why Mcphee spent 4 premium draft picks, 2 of his organization's 3 best prospects, and 23 million per season in cap room for the foreseeable future, taking his team from the deepest prospect pool to one of the shallowest, taking his team from one of the best cap situations in the NHL to one of the worst less than a year before actual elite speed stars like Artemi Panarin, Matt Duchene, and Jacob Trouba will become UFAs, just to make his team SLOWER. Like why? Instead of bringing in Pacioretty, Stastny, and Stone for 23 mil per year, and hoping for the best, why not bring in Panarin, Duchene, and Trouba for 26 or 27 million per year (they had the space to allow the difference there) and KNOW you will be the best not just next season, but every season after that for the next 5+ years because you know THOSE players are not ones you have to worry about falling behind the pace of the NHL in a few years.
And Vegas is like the most attractive free agent destination in the NHL right now, already, so they could have done it too.
So that would be my third question. Was adding Stastny for ages 33-37, Paciorety from age 29 to 34, Stone from age 26 to 35, at great cost in terms of assets as well, a smarter move than adding Panarin, Trouba, and Duchene, or 2 of the 3 (is Trouba still RFA or UFA?), either in the offseason for no assets, or in trades for the same assets then extended? Is Stone really that good? Is pacioretty really still in his prime?
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Breadispain's NHL DFS Overview

Slate Overview
Matchup | Back-to-Back | Points (Halved) | Goals per Game Average, Expected Goals per Game, Shooting Percentage, Corsi for Percentage, Shots per Game Average | Goals Against per Game Average, Expected Goals Against per Game, Save Percentage, Corsi Against Percentage | Powerplay Percentage, Penalty Kill Percentage | Games Played Over Last 2 Seasons, Wins, Goals, Ceiling, Floor, Average | Vegas Odds | Win Percentage | Projection (WIP) | OveUnder Expectation
Data Breakdown
The data above is entered in part by me from ShrpSports results over the previous two + current season and part automation from various other sources for the season. It’s also worth taking the time to look at recent data from Natural Stat Trick for each team as the season goes on. In general I’d also advise serious restraint during the month of October while lines and systems are settling and the sample size is small. The whole point of using data to build your lineups is to reduce randomness, so save your money for when the league is more predictable. There’s enough variance in DFS hockey to worry about already.
You’ll likely notice there’s little consistency between xGF/60 (expected goals for per game) and GF/G (actual goals for per game). You can read a very in depth article about this here, but my TL;DR is that it’s moderately better at predicting actual goals for than Corsi, but not actually so useful as to matter to me on a nightly basis. It does tend to stand out to me if there’s a drastic disparity between what’s expected and what’s delivered in anticipation of some positive regression from underachieving teams, but that’s about it. That’s also to emphasize Corsi (read more here), a metric measuring the number of shots attempt made, also isn’t very strongly correlated with goals scored. What I personally do like Corsi for is determining how much it diminishes the opposition from scoring, as they’ll possess the puck less often. SF/G (shots for per game), SA/G (shots against per game) and GAA (goals against average) are definitely factors I consider when making my goaltender selections, as you want a goalie that faces a lot of shots but lets few into the net. Though Vegas odds is a good way of determining where the chalky plays are likely to be tonight, it’s at best a 60% crapshoot for which team will actually win and Vegas does not care a bit whether your goalie lets in 4 in 20 shots for that win. Finally, though I also take this with a grain of salt, I personally place a lot more weight on past performance between two teams than what their overall data implies, especially if there’s a player that tends to perform especially well vs a specific team. I’m gradually trying to hone a projection system that factors in historical data, Vegas odds and advanced metrics as a predictive tool, but while it’s been marginally more effective than Vegas odds or historical data alone (roughly 64.85% vs 59% this season), it’s still no substitute for personal analysis.
Tournament Slates
Typically the main NHL slates are Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, though there are some better slates that pop up on the off days depending on scheduling that week. In general the larger the slate, the bigger the prize pools. Since a larger slate means more players are on the ice, that generally decreases specific player ownership. Though that increases your chance of your players having lower ownership if they go off, it also makes it more difficult to pick players that score more than the rest of the field since there’s a higher probability more goals are scored. (And that’s what makes it fun!)
It’s my personal preference to play single entry contests or low entry contests on larger slates than MME (mass multi-entry) GPP’s (guaranteed prize pool tournaments) because it levels the playing field while still ensuring a decent ROI (return on investment) if you place highly. That is, it’s a better metric for actual skill, which is how this whole gambling enterprise is being marketed. If the max entries for a tournament is set at 150, you can bet there are several sharks playing 150 different options to maximize getting a top return via optimizers and the like. If I were running a paid site with the information I share here for free, I’d likely throw up a branded logo on all my entries and try to cash in the top 50 each night for visibility too. Those entry fees partially pay for themselves through winnings and act as free advertising for your monthly/annual subscription services and ad revenue, etc. as well.
I’d say if you ask 80% of DFS players how/why they play, they’d answer that they just play for fun. That is, roughly ⅘ of the players are casual ones. That’s not to say ⅘ of the entries are from casual players, but a lot of people are making lineups based around a minimal knowledge of the league (hockey is least watched of the DFS sports), always betting on the home favorite or whichever game they’re watching that night, etc. (And you know what? If you stick to that consistently, it’s not even a terrible strategy. If your home team has a 50% chance of winning each night and you’re watching every game, to hell with advanced stats and just play your team based on the eye test.) It goes without saying though these players do not have the same chance of winning vs well-researched multi-entry accounts though.
If you’re having a rough go at the larger tournaments, try a smaller field or playing on the off nights. Some people perform better when there are less options available to them. Maybe you’re more of a cash game player. Discover what works for you.
GPPs vs Cash
GPP’s and cash are entirely different beasts. In GPP’s you’re looking for highest upside to get the most amount of points possible and win the tournament. In cash, you’re looking for the highest floor to ensure you’re above the fold. That’s a very different strategy. In general, play cash for security and GPP’s for the thrill.
Cash Strategies
I honestly never saw the appeal of cash games (multipliers, 50/50’s, etc.) until this season but I like that it offers a stable increase to my bankroll when the GPP’s are running cold. If you also want a peek into what the hivemind is thinking on any given slate, cash games are a better look into how the average player views DFS in general. Here be where you find your Kucherov’s and MacKinnon’s with 50% ownership every night, along with whatever hot hand value play happens to be in favor. This is hardly a hot take, but in my opinion you’re better off selecting three two man stacks on the powerplay with a “guaranteed” goaltender win and the best defensemen you can afford on the slate because it offers you some correlation without bottoming out if your line goes cold.
GPP Strategies
When I first started playing DFS the minimum contest payout was 2.5x your bet and there were a lot more random lineups in the field. That meant as long as you won 50% of your entries you were at least moderately profitable, and could generally afford to play more entries as a casual player as a result (and because the entry fees themselves were typically lower). Nowadays you’re looking at $4-4.44/entry for the Fanduel breakaway with a $8 return and a higher rake (corporate profit) with top-loaded prizes. On Draftkings things aren’t much different, with a $3 sniper getting you a minimum $5 return or an $8 two-man advantage getting you $16. Even within the basic instructions for beginners they recommend you try line stacking now. Simply put, it’s more difficult to win money than it used to be, which is another reason why I prefer the single and low entry tournaments nowadays.
Line Stacking
Since there are so few goals scored in a hockey game and most of those goals correlate with an assist, you typically want to pick players with good linemates and powerplay correlation. That’s DFS 101. Whether you can actually afford to stack two lines together is another matter entirely. I’ve built a basic tool that’s free to use if you want to check it out: Fanduel and Draftkings Line Stacker
Depending on whether you play on Fanduel or Draftkings will determine what kind of strategies are available to you, as there are tighter salary constraints on Draftkings but looser restrictions. On Fanduel, you’re capped at 4 players from each team. On Draftkings, you only need 3 different teams represented, so you can technically play the entire top six from one team instead. Despite that, you cannot do the 4-4-1 stack available on Fanduel, where you pick two lines with their corresponding defensemen and a goaltender. Instead, you have to opt for a 4-3-1 stack, either using the utility position for a punt play (typically not ideal) or alternating one of the defensemen from a different team (preferable).
I don’t like to break up line stacks because I’ve been playing long enough to see it come back to haunt me, but there’s always an argument for dropping an underperforming third wheel or due to salary constraints.
In General
This should all go without saying, but players that shoot more are likely to score goals, players with more minutes on the ice have more opportunities to get points, and players with good linemates are more likely to pick up assists. It’s also easier to score goals against weak opponents.
Though there are also points awarded for blocked shots, even the top shot blockers aren’t very DFS relevant on shot blocking alone unless they’re priced near floor and are against a high volume team. With so few 40+ point defensemen available any given season, and some of the more prolific point producers (Letang, Hedman) tending to be quite streaky, I generally only like to pay up for high salary defensemen that offer a high floor in all formats, while otherwise sticking to those on the top powerplay unit. Again, this is hardly a revelation, but you do often see lineups where people have two garbage defensemen to squeeze together two highly priced lines. Know that you’ll need at least another goal from those forwards to compensate for your back end unless you get a lucky bounce.
I feel like a lot of DFS players, especially high volume players, tend to consider their goaltender an afterthought and despise the idea of building from the goaltender out. That’s a huge gamble in my opinion, considering your goaltender is often one of the most expensive players on your roster by default and has the ability to put up the most amount of points every night. This is the single hardest position to target because you not only need a win (while the winningest goalies are still hovering around 60% winrate), but that goaltender has to face a lot of shots while also allowing few goals against. For this reason I tend to isolate two or three goaltenders I’ll target every night based on expected goals against, expected shots against and the probability of a win, and then it’s boom or bust for me.
You want to target lines where at least two players are correlated on the powerplay on a team with high GF/G and/or PP%, against teams with low CF%, high SA/G, high GAA. and/or low PK%, ideally where your lines are home ice so they can determine which opposing lines they’ll target. Beyond that, you’ll want to look into whether those lines have been under or over-performing expectations or have any history together whatsoever. I place additional weight on narrative games (reaching a milestone, versus their former team, rivalries, etc.), as well as historical performance than most consider. You’ll also want a correlated defenseman for one or both lines, and a goaltender with a high expected SA/G and low GAA, that all fit within your salary constraints.
(It’s easier said than done, of course.)
Additional Resources
Fanduel and Draftkings Line Stacker: My own hobbled together linematching tool. I don't know of a similar tool available right now and I find it handier than an optimizer. Also: free.
ShrpSports: See how well teams have performed against each other historically.
Daily Faceoff: Your best source for lineups, injury news and starting goaltender information.
Daily Fantasy Nerd: I use this daily for an overview of who’s hot/cold in the last five games for shots on goal, ice time and points, though it’s worth doing a deeper dive to see whether those points came from a single outlier game.
Awesemo : as much as I’ve alluded to being generally bitter about DFS subscription services, and while their content is a bit too optimization and MME content based, they do have great analysis on linematching and generally better content than the big rivals like Rotogrinders, etc.
Corsica Hockey and Natural Stat Trick: though I detest Corsica’s player rankings (see their current ranking of leading defensemen Chabot, as an example), I use both of these sites for advanced stats and occasionally the latter for line-matching data and post-game analysis.
LeftWingLock’s Line Production Tool: Basically line matching for dummies. See which linemates have produced the most and let in the fewest over the last 3 or 10 games.
Linestar FD/DK App : Linestar comes the closest to developing a DFS tool that actually correlates with how I build my lineups. They offer everything from analysis on value plays, recent performance in varying metrics, historical data vs opponent, change in salary, salary disparity between platforms and much, much more.
eDraft’s Defense Consistency: A decent tool for finding consistent defensive production, among other things.
NHL.com Multipoint Stats: A quick look at whether there are multi-point performance outliers from overall DFS production.
And, of course, Fanduel and Draftkings where you’re going to be winning all this money from :)
Why Are You Doing This?
It hadn’t really occurred to ask myself this question, but writing it out when I have the time helps me filter through the noise a bit to determine my lineups. I also simply love hockey and there are few people that actually care about this sort of thing. (I mean, uh, access to information! Be the change you want to see in the world!) I don’t really know. I can’t imagine I’m giving up much of an edge by sharing this with you and I’m going to do it anyway, so if I can help you out, perhaps the better question is: why not do this?
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fighting [against all odds] - a Charlotte Checkers story

It is a truth universally acknowledged by all players in the American Hockey League that should a fight between two players last longer than two and a half minutes, those two players become married in the eyes of the law and the Hockey Gods. This unwritten rule, first put into place during the 2004-2005 lockout, was naturally very controversial. Players with wives or partners suddenly had to pay close attention to the clock while exchanging muffled blows on the ice to ensure that they would not be guilty of bigamy by the end of the game. In 2011 the NHLPA intervened on behalf of the two way players to enact an amendment: should either fighter be previously married, either to another player or to an individual outside of hockey, the loser of the fight would legally be adopted by the winner, to prevent the culturally frowned upon outcome of bigamy. Of course, this opened up a whole new can of worms during the first tied fight of the season: who would determine who wins or loses in a draw? Eventually the NHLPA and the AHL officials threw up their hands in frustration, redacted the amendment, and changed the wording of the rule to as follows: should a fight between two unmarried players last longer than two and a half minutes, those two players become married in the eyes of the law and the Hockey Gods. This seemed to clear up most legal problems, but many fans and players were still not mollified. The AHL more or less told them to suck it.
Zack Stortini, having been drafted in 2003 and therefore playing with this particular rule in place for the majority of his professional hockey career, was well aware of how his play was affected by this. Even now, as a Charlotte Checker, he prided himself in maintaining his status as an enforcer while keeping his rumbles short and sweet. The golden ring he was required to wear on a chain around his neck remained unpolished: no one had ever worn it, and Zack planned to keep it that way until he retired. Or found a Storm Squad girl with lowered standards and a fondness for tooth gaps, whichever came first.
The golden ring jangled on its chain as Zack stripped off his dress shirt and undershirt in the visitor locker room of the Giant Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania. He flicked it absently before it settled back into place, nestled in his chest hair. Bishop noticed him absently playing with it and lobbed a roll of stick tape at his head, laughing when it made contact with a thud.
“What’s up, Teener, you gonna find you a nice fighter to husband up?” Bishop asked, leaning back in his stall and spreading his legs wide. He made several gross faces and gestures. Zack didn’t even pretend to know what half of them meant.
“As if, Bishy,” Zack responded with grace. “You know I’m better than that.”
The entire locker room erupted in laughter. Zack chose to believe they were laughing with him, besides the European guys, who were laughing because everyone else was.
Zack resumed suiting up. Just as he was tying up the drawstring of his hockey pants, Vellucci stomped into the room, grumbling to himself and a clipboard in his hand. The chatter in the locker room died off as their head coach made his way to the front of the room. Vellucci looked up and increased the volume of his grumbling. Finally he chose to use actual words.
“Boys. Lads,” he said. “Hershey is one of the worst teams in the league this year. This is rare, my guys, we gotta pounce on that while we can. We gotta.”
The boys murmured in agreement.
“But my guys. My dudes. You know how we do that? Do you know how we win?”
Zack exchanged glances with the others guys in the room. Finally Saarela put his hand up.
“We put puck in net?”
Vellucci slammed his clipboard over his knee, breaking it in half. “Fuckin’ right, boys!”
Confused and frightened, the Checkers all cheered and headed out to the ice for warm ups. Zack followed his teammates out of the locker room, but coach pulled him aside before he left the room.
“Stortini,” Vellucci said seriously, his upper lip where a moustache would be trembling. “Son. You know I respect you for what you do and how well you do it.”
“You mean how I’m a great skater?”
“Don’t be an idiot, boy, I’m talking about how you make our opponents kiss your knuckles.”
“Oh,” said Zack, trying not to seem too crestfallen.
“Son, my fella, you sure are an enforcer, but have you been tracking your fight times?”
Zack stilled, his 6 foot 4 inch 225 pound frame radiating guilt.
Vellucci sighed explosively. “Pal, your fight times are getting mighty close to two-thirty. I know you aren’t ready to settle down, and Charlotte can’t lose you to a honeymoon right now.” He slapped a meaty hand onto Zack’s shoulder, shaking him in a supportive manner. “Just keep the clock in mind, eh?”
“Yes sir,” said Zack.
“Good,” said Vellucci. “Now let’s do that hockey.”
It was always nice to get the first goal in a game. Well, not personally get the goal, that would be sweet as fuck, but it was nice when the Checkers got on the board first.
What was decidedly not nice was the asshole who laughed at him when Zack tripped over the edge of the Bears net. It wasn’t his fault, the goal came right at him.
“Fuckin’ hoser can’t even skate right,” Number 14 shouted at him, circling Zack like a thing that normally circled other things. Like a pencil, or a hula hoop.
Zack’s heart rate increased, probably in anger. Number 14’s voice sounded familiar, so Zack had definitely punched his face once or twice before.
“Fuckin’ asshole!” Zack yelled, skating after Number 14. “I’m a fuckin’ beautiful skater, you dick!” Zack proved this by skating right into Number 14’s arms and trying to punch him.
Unfortunately for Zack, Number 14 was like a mind reader or something and anticipated the sneak attack. Just as Zack gripped the Bears jersey, Number 14 grabbed his Checkers jersey, and they were locked in a stalemate. They drifted across the ice between their teammates and the linemen, throwing ineffective punches at each other. The noise from the crowd increased as the normally mild mannered Pennsylvanians demanded blood be spilled for their savage enjoyment.
“Fuck him up, Teener!” Miller shouted encouragingly.
“Make him cry for him mama!” wailed one of Number 14’s teammates.
Neither of them seemed to make headway in the fight. Zack was taller than him by one inch, but he could tell Number 14 was heavier than him by at least ten pounds. A couple of times Zack thought he would lose his balance and fall but he just gripped Number 14’s jersey even tighter to stay upright on the ice.
As they continued to grapple with each other, the noise of the crowd dwindled into nothing before abruptly starting again with nervous energy. Something was not right.
“Teener!” Neddie cried from the net. “Check time! Check time!”
Zack knew his time was running long but fuck, he was not about to let go, to turn tail and run and let Number 14 win this fight. That was not gonna happen.
“Just give up, goon!” Number 14 growled around his mouth guard.
“Your mom!” Zack gasped, wind whistling through the gap in his teeth.
Suddenly one of the linesmen blew his whistle, shattering the moment between them.
“That’s two-thirty exactly boys!”
Zack struggled against his teammates and the lineman who were trying to pull him away from Number 14, the words and their meaning not yet sinking into his sports-addled brain. Then at once his eyes met Number 14’s wide brown eyes across the ice between them, and the reality of the situation slammed into him like an Ovechkin slap shot would slam into his shin. It fuckin’ hurt, and maybe something was broken? And like, maybe he had made a mistake somewhere along the road that had led him to this point.
“Stortini!” raged Vellucci from the bench, his face nearly purple, “What have you done?!”
Shocked, his mouth gaping, Zack allowed himself to be skated docilely to the penalty box. The linesman gripping his elbow was humming the wedding march under his breath, that fuckin’ asshole. Zack felt tears welling up in his eyes. He wasn’t ready for marriage, his mom would kill him. Oh god, and his sister!
Zack sat on the bench in the no-no box, hands dangling between his knees. A banging to his right drew his attention away from his inner turmoil, and he looked up, locking eyes with his...future husband? Fuck!
Number 14, seeing that he had gained Zack’s attention, brought up his left hand and pointed at it vigorously. Zack stared at the silver band on Number 14’s ring finger uncomprehendingly. He made a face at Number 14 and shrugged. Number 14 flipped him off.
“You absolute asshole,” Number 14 yelled over the roar of the crowd , “I’m trying to tell you I’m already married! The Rule doesn’t apply to this situation!”
Zack’s terror and nausea abruptly melted into absolute relief. “Oh, word?” he shouted back. “Sweet!”
“Hell fuckin’ yeah, sweet,” Number 14 yelled. “Besides, I could never be married to such a piss-poor excuse for a hockey player. You couldn’t skate your way out of a wet paper bag!”
The relief bubbling through Zack’s veins evaporated and Zack was possessed by an anger he had only felt three dozen other times in his life. He leapt from his seat and banged his fists against the plexiglass of the no-no box, snarling at Number 14, “I will end you, shitbag!”
“If you can catch me!” laughed Number 14.
“Boys, please,” begged the official in the no-no box as Zack and Number 14 were ushered away from each other once more.
Zack seethed. This wasn’t over, not by a long shot.
Bishy got the Checkers on the board again, and Neddie was doing a great job between the pipes, so really Zack shouldn’t have been consumed by a wildfire of anger, but Number 14’s words kept replaying in his head. The look of derision in Number 14’s deep brown eyes, the athletic flush on his cheeks beneath his thick dark beard, the shape of his rose colored lips as he insulted Zack’s skating. What a dick, Zack was an absolute catch, and Number 14 would be fuckin’ blessed to be married to Zack. Zack bet he was probably drafted higher than Number 14 anyway. He rubbed absently at his own patchy and stubbly cheek.
“You caught a real fuckin’ lucky break, buddy boy-o,” Vellucci grumbled at him when Zack returned to the bench after his stay in the no-no box. “I’m keeping my eye on you and that Number 14.”
“I think his name is Peluso,” Samuelsson piped up helpfully. Vellucci made a walrus sound and pushed Samsy over the boards and onto the ice.
“What’s the point of keeping us from fighting anymore?” Zack asked. “He’s married, so there’s nothing to worry about. The Rule doesn’t apply!”
“There’s a lot you don’t know about the Rule, my guy, my pal,” Vellucci said darkly, staring off into the middle distance. He didn’t elaborate further, so Zack figured it was okay if he didn’t know anything else about the Rule. To Zack’s frustration, Vellucci made sure he and Number 14–Peluso–weren’t on the ice at the same time for the next couple shifts.
“Can you behave yourself now, my dude?” Vellucci asked Zack as a line change was coming up for the Checkers. Peluso had just been sent onto the ice as well, and was skating around like a straight up dick, making sharp turns and following the puck and passing to his teammates. Zack shook his attention away from Peluso to give Vellucci a winning smile.
“You betcha,” Zack said in his most sincere tone of voice. Vellucci nodded grimly and sent him over the boards on the next line change.
Zack tried his hardest to avoid Peluso on the ice, he really did, but Number 14 kept skating near him, obviously trying to get in his way. So maybe Zack threw out a choice few phrases to his opponent, commenting on what a shitty team Peluso played for and how Peluso’s beard looked like Canadian roadkill. He wasn’t treating Peluso special or anything. He would have done the same to any of players on the Bears who were being obnoxious.
And then Peluso, that asshole, crosschecked him into the boards near the Checkers’ own goal, and frankly that wouldn’t fly.
As soon as Zack gathered his bearings and spun around to grip at Peluso’s jersey, the crowd erupted into groans. The linesmen let them swing a few punches at each other and spin around on the ice before they sounded the whistle again. One of the linesmen grabbed Zack’s elbow as the other steered Peluso towards the no-no box. From the corner of his eye, Zack could see Chelios and Bourque, one of the Bears’ alternate captains, converging on the head referee, both looking far too serious for a simple roughing call.
“Oh, Teener, you’ve done it now,” McKeown said ominously as the linesman led Zack to the no-no box. Zack looked over his shoulder at the dman, eyes wide in confusion. What? What had he done. He spun around to look at the bench. Vellucci had his face in his hands, and a second clipboard lay shattered on the ice in front of the Checkers’ bench. Even Mann, the Bears’ head coach, looked upset, having gone white as a ghost.
Once situated in the no-no box, the official shaking his head at him sadly, Zack turned to look at Peluso to see if the other player knew what was going on. Peluso looked as shaken as Zack felt, and shrugged at him in response. They both turned to watch their alternate captains negotiate with the referee. Bourque had a desperate look on his face, and kept gesturing up at one of the private suites located behind the Bears’ bench. Chelios, on the other hand, sported a look of sad resignation. Fear gnawed at Zack’s stomach. He rubbed at his jersey and poked his tongue between the gap in his teeth.
After what felt like ages, the ref made a definitive hand gesture and broke up the meeting. Chelios skated back to the Checkers’ bench without making eye contact with Zack. Bourque skated up to the Bears’ penalty box.
“I’ll serve this one, Anthony,” Bourque said to Peluso. “They’re sending you off the ice.”
“What?” yelled Peluso, jumping to his feet. “Why? That asshole over there is just as much at fault as I am!”
Zack pressed a hand to his chest, deeply offended.
“He’ll be sent off ice once he’s served his time,” Bourque assured Peluso. “You need to meet with Coach Murphy. And Anthony? You’re gonna need to talk to your wife as soon as possible.”
Peluso reached out to grab at the door to the no-no box, apparently needing it to support his weight. “What?” he gasped.
Bourque gently pulled Peluso out of the no-no box and pushed him toward the Bears’ bench. “Just go talk to Murphy, man. Gotta take this one step at a time.” With Peluso on his way off the ice, Bourque took his spot in the penalty box, closing the door behind himself and sitting on the bench. As play resumed, Bourque turned to look at Zack. “You fucked up, kid,” Bourque told him, squirting gatorade into his mouth. “You both did.”
Zack didn’t spend his full two minutes in the no-no box, since Millsy scored an absolute beaut of a goal less than a minute into the power play. Zack skated towards the bench after the official released him from the no-no box, but Vellucci wouldn’t make eye contact with him. Instead, Peter Andersson waved at Zack, indicating that they go down the tunnel to the locker room. So Bourque wasn’t kidding about Zack being kicked off the ice.
Andersson pulled Zack into one of the trainer rooms branching out from the locker room. Zack sat on the examination table and started at his assistant coach. He swung his legs back and forth, the blades skipping over the concrete floor, as Andersson sighed and rubbed at his forehead. Finally Andersson made eye contact with Zack.
“This is a real mess of a situation,” Andersson said, sitting in one of the rolly chairs the trainers used.
“Uh,” said Zack, “I don’t really know what’s going on. Sir.”
Andersson stared at him judgmentally. “Don’t pretend you don’t know about the Rule.”
“I know about the Rule!” Zack said loudly. “We already established that it doesn’t apply, Peluso is already married so--”
“That’s only part of the Rule,” Andersson interrupted him, his accent becoming thicker with his growing frustration. “Doesn’t your agent explain everything you sign for this position?” Zack shrugged and looked away, too embarrassed to say that he was usually too excited to be playing another year to listen to any of the legal jargon. Andersson sighed again. “Listen. You’re operating on the parameters of the 2011 edition of the Rule. Non-single players were completely exempt from the Rule, that’s true. But, there was still too much fighting going on in the league. Too many guys were getting hurt. Nasty career-ending injuries, that sort of thing. All because one or both of the guys were married, and the rule didn’t apply to them.”
“Well that’s just hockey,” Zack said softly.
Andersson ignored him. “So in 2013, after the last NHL lockout, another amendment was added. I guess you didn't get the memo. Or read it.” Andersson rolled his eyes and recited from memory, “Should a fight between two unmarried players last longer than two and a half minutes, those two players become married in the eyes of the law and the Hockey Gods. In the event that two players, regardless of prior marital status, engage in two fights in one single period of a hockey game, with one fight lasting two minutes and thirty seconds or longer, the prior marital status of the players is nullified and the two players become married in the eyes of the law and the Hockey Gods.”
Zack felt like all of the air had been sucked from the room. “What?” he gasped.
Andersson stood up with a grunt and slapped Zack’s knee. “Congrats, Stortini. You’re married. The official ceremony will be after the game.”
“What about Peluso’s wife?” Zack asked, scrambling off the table. “What happens to her?”
“The marriage is annulled,” Andersson said, tucking his hands into his pockets. “There’s nothing we can do. She’ll get a nice severance package.” Andersson looked at Zack again. “I know you think this is unfair but you signed off on this when you signed your contract. You both did.”
Zack didn’t know what to say to this. He shifted his weight on his skates.
With a sigh, Andersson turned around and opened the door to the locker room. “Well come on then. We have another two periods to go. You can face the music after the game.”
Zack sullenly followed Andersson into the locker room, where the mood was much brighter and less filled with dread.
“Teener!” Saarela cried, bounding up to Zack. “I put puck in net! Great present for wedding!”
“Thanks buddy,” Zack said, patting the Finn on the head. “That means a lot.”
As his other teammates noticed his presence in the room, the cheerfulness died down to a careful somber tone more like a funeral than a first period intermission with a 5-0 score. Several of the boys reached out to slap at his shoulder consolingly as Zack made his way to his stall.
“That’s rough, buddy,” Gauthier said, sounding far too old and jaded for the little baby rookie that he was.
“I told you, check time,” Neddie admonished sadly. Zack could only nod back at him in agreement. Neddie did try to warn him. What a good goalie.
“Eyes forwards fellas and guys,” Vellucci called out, gaining the team’s attention. “This first period sure has been, uh, something else. To quote the official twitter account, it’s been,” Vellucci squinted at something on his clipboard and made air quotes with one hand, “‘lit.’ Shout out to you boys who got us on the board. Five fuckin’ goals, boys, fuckin’ right!”
The team cheered, all banging their sticks on the floor in a loud demonstration of support.
“You know what could make this game better, my pals?” Vellucci asked, his eyes scanning the players in front of him.
Saarela raised his hand hesitantly.
“Not give up lead?” he asked.
Vellucci roared, grabbed the Gatorade bottle out of Samuelsson’s hand, and slam dunked it into Carrick’s stall. Carrick yelped and jumped sideways into Kichton beside him. The rest of the team stared at Coach, eyes wide in silent terror.
“Not giving up the lead, boys, fuckin’ right!” Vellucci said, turning to high five Andersson. “My dudes, my buddies, we gotta learn from the Canes up in the NHL and know that we can’t have a great first period and then get complacent for the rest of the game! We gotta go hard the whole game, my pals!”
“Woo!” someone, maybe Neddie, said meekly.
“That’s what I’m talking about!” Vellucci said. “Now get ready for the second period. And Stortini?” he added, not even looking at Zack.
“Yes sir?” responded Zack quietly.
“You’re dead to me.”
Zack wailed internally.
The rest of the game seemed to pass in a blur. The Checkers didn’t score any more goals, and the Bears got two in the second, but with an end score of 5-2, it really could have been much worse. Much, much worse, Zack acknowledged as they checked the Canes game while undressing.
“Fuckin’ right boys!” Vellucci shouted at them as he strode through the locker room, on his way to do media. Saarela, Millsy, and Neddie, as the three stars of the game, followed meekly in his wake.
Zack sat in his stall, half undressed and fiddling the gold ring on the chain around his neck. He should probably call his family, or maybe shower and get dressed. Or sprint out of the Giant Center and try to make his getaway in the slushy misery of Hersheypark in the wintertime. No one would follow him.
“Are you nervous?”
Zack looked to his right and found Samuelsson setting on the edge of the bench next to him. The kid gave him a shy smile.
“Fuckin’ duh, Samsy,” Zack said, agressively ripping off the tape on his socks.
Samuelsson frowned at him. “Rude,” he sniffed, and turned away.
Getting undressed and showering felt like moving through water. Well, showering was essentially moving through water, but Zack still felt pretty detached through it all. He soaped up his thick chiseled body mechanically, running his slippery fingers through the curls of his hair. He still hadn’t told his mom that he had gotten himself hockey- and legally-married because he let some guy get on his nerves. And because he hadn’t read the fine print on a couple pieces of paper. That too.
“Stortini!” Andersson shouted from outside the shower room. “Hurry up, they want to get the ceremony over and done with so everyone can head home to watch the Big Game.”
Zack sighed and dragged himself out of the shower. In the locker room, he dressed himself in his usual game day suit and, having no other way to stall for time and prolong the inevitable, he got up to find Andersson and Vellucci. The locker room had long since cleared out, all the other boys going back to the bus, with the exception of Chelios, Carrick, and Brown.
“What’re you boys still doing here?” Zack asked, heartened by their show of support.
“As your captain, I have to walk you down the aisle,” Brown said, coming forward to straighten Zack’s tie.
“We’re here as support,” said Carrick, smiling behind his aggressive moustache.
“Actually we’re here as witnesses and potential backup in case anything goes wrong,” corrected Chelios.
Zack gulped and stared wide eyed at his captains. “What could go wrong?”
Chelios stared at the hockey skates piled in the equipment manager’s cart and said nothing. “Let’s not think of that right now,” Carrick said instead. “Do you have your ring?”
Zack’s hand automatically flew up to the chain around his neck. “Yeah, I have it.”
“Then let’s get this show on the road,” Brown sighed, and led the way back down the tunnel towards the ice.
As they made their way down the tunnel, Zack noticed that two red carpets had been rolled out on the ice, one in front of the home team tunnel and the other in front of the away team tunnel, both leading out to center ice. A zamboni was parked right in front of where the two carpets coalesced. Vellucci and Andersson stood to one side of the zamboni, on the away team side of the carpets, and Mann, Cashman, and Murphy stood on the other side. The linesmen and refs had all taken a knee in the triangle of ice between the two carpets, all eerily silent and still. The stands were thankfully empty of fans, as was the proper procedure for such ceremonies. And there, standing on top of the zamboni, was Coco.
Zack knew, now that he thought about it, that the home team’s mascot was to officiate the wedding should the Rule be invoked at a game. He had never given any real thought as to whether he would prefer to have Chubby officiate his wedding, or some other team’s mascot. Chubby was definitely one of the less frightening mascots and, now that he was forced to face this reality, Coco was reasonable enough as well.
Brown stopped Zack before he could start walking down the aisle. Behind them, Carrick and Chelios grabbed buckets of pucks from near the end of the tunnel. Brown waved at Coco until the mascot saw him and gave a thumbs up with one massive bear paw. Zack shifted uneasily on his feet. The bear’s head swung back to the home team tunnel and gave another thumbs up. Zack guessed that this meant that Peluso was ready as well. Coco began pointing at the Giant Center broadcasting box, waving and giving two massive bear thumbs up.
At once, the organ started up with a tune Zack thought he remembered. Unfortunately, it all came back to him once the linesmen and refs began singing.
“Hello out there, we’re on the air, it’s Hockey Night tonight! Tension grows, the whistle blows, and the puck goes down the ice!”
“Jesus fuck,” Zack muttered to himself.
“Stand up straight and smile,” Brown whispered to him, linking their arms and beginning to walk down the aisle towards Coco and the zamboni. As they walked down the aisle, Chelios and Carrick followed, tossing pucks behind them from their buckets. Out of the corner of his eye, Zack could see Garrett Mitchell walking Peluso down the aisle, Sill and Bourque acting as the, uh, the puck boys.
After an eternity of slowly walking down the red carpet and listening to the refs opine about the good ol’ hockey game, Zack and Peluso finally made it to the area directly in front of the Hershey bear. Coco stared down upon them as the organ slowly faded into silence.
“Dearly beloved,” Coco intoned in a frighteningly deep voice that was somehow unobscured by the mascot costume, “we are gathered here today to join these two fighters in hockey matrimony." Zack turned to face Peluso. He was annoyed to note that the man had an alright face. Son of a bitch even looked like he still had most of his teeth.
“Anthony Peluso,” Coco continued, “do you take this man to be your husband, to live together in hockey matrimony in the off-season, to pass to him, to block for him, to assist him, and to keep him in bad seasons and in good seasons, forsaking all others, for as long as you both shall live, or until otherwise determined by the Hockey Gods?”
“I do,” said Peluso, in the voice of someone who was being threatened with a sharpened skate blade to the throat.
“Zachery Stortini,” Coco said, turning to focus his unseeing eyes on Zack, “do you take this man to be your husband, to live together in hockey matrimony in the off-season, to pass to him, to block for him, to assist him, and to keep him in bad seasons and in good seasons, forsaking all others, for as long as you both shall live, or until otherwise determined by the Hockey Gods?”
“I do?” said Zack. Coco nodded once.
“Do you have the rings?” Coco asked.
Zack reached up and unlatched the chain around his neck. He slipped the ring off the chain and into his hand before holding it up to Coco. “I have mine.”
Peluso shuffled back and forth on his feet. “I do not have mine,” he admitted. Zack’s eyes darted down to look at his eminent husband’s left ring finger. While a tan line was visible, the silver ring was not. “She wanted it back,” Peluso said softly.
“Captains,” Coco said, lifting his head to address Mitchell, Sill, and Bourque, “can any of you provide Anthony Peluso with an assist?”
“I can,” Garrett Mitchell said, stepping forward as he removed the chain around his neck and handing it to Peluso. Peluso took it from his captain with a quiet word of thanks. He lifted it aloft to show Coco, much like Zack had.
“Now that the rings have been presented, they may be exchanged. As you place the ring on each other’s finger, swear the following: I give you this ring as a token and pledge of our constant conditioning and abiding shot accuracy.”
Zack carefully slipped his ring onto Peluso’s finger, muttering along to the vow Coco had provided. Peluso followed suit, and Zack couldn’t help but notice how strong but soft the other man’s hands were.
“By virtue of the authority vested in me by the American Hockey League and the Hershey Bears, I now pronounce you husbands,” Coco announced, throwing his paws to the sky. “You may now kiss each other!”
Zack and Peluso stared at each other for five seconds before Peluso darted forward to kiss Zack softly on the lips. It was kind of sweet. Not to be outdone, Zack swept Peluso into his arms and dipped him before pressing their mouths together. Peluso took it one step further and slipped him some tongue. Zack did not hate it. The referees all cheered.
As they parted, Zack whispered, “You can shit on my skating as much as you like, but I promise, my stickhandling is out of this world.”
For the first time that night, Peluso’s face lit up with a small, sincere smile.
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Why the Recapture Penalty Is Total Bologna

First of all, thanks to u/Karvalegoff for inspiring this writeup. Cheers!
The Vancouver Canucks, among other teams, are facing potential future consequences for previously signing contracts that are now seen as salary cap circumventing. The contracts in question were those that had a decreasing salary over a lengthy term, in order to reduce the cap hit during a player’s prime years. For a detailed explanation of these penalties, check out:
For a detailed explanation of why the rule is absolute horse hockey, continue reading this article!
Luongo’s Contract, Its Precedents, and Competitive Advantage
The Canucks signed Robert Luongo to a 12-year contract extension in September of 2009, with a total salary of $64 million and a cap hit each year of $5.333 million, repeating of course. The deal would kick in as of the 2010-11 season and last until Luongo was 42 years old. The contract peaked with single-season salaries of $10 million, right down to $1 million in the final years.
For the Canucks, the appeal was simple. $5.333 million was a low cap-hit for a goalie of Luongo’s calibre, which allowed the team more cap flexibility to ice a stronger roster during Luongo’s prime. This would also mean that Luongo would have that same cap hit when his skills diminished in his final years, but due to his low-salary in those years, it was thought he could then easily be dealt to a team struggling to reach the cap floor, like Arizona always is. More on them, later.
It’s easy to see how the contract could be construed as “against the spirit” of the salary cap, but the league approved it nonetheless. Not only that, the league had already approved several similar contracts before Luongo’s, including Henrik Zetterberg’s very similar 12-year deal with Detroit, signed in January of 2009, and Marian Hossa’s own 12-year deal with Chicago, signed in July. At the time, both of these teams were conference rivals of the Canucks. Their deals were approved, and so the Canucks were faced with a choice of using the same loophole as the other clubs or refusing to, and losing a competitive advantage. Given the calibre of team the Canucks were building at the time, it is understandable why they chose to sign the deal.
The Kovalchuk Fiasco and Tacit Re-Approval
The league didn’t just approve the Luongo contract on one occasion. It also tacitly approved it when it chose to disapprove the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk with the New Jersey Devils. Lou Lamoriello and the Devils tried to sign Kovalchuk to a ridiculous 17-year, $102 million contract that would have ended when he was almost 44. The league not only rejected this contract, but they imposed harsh penalties on the Devils, too, forcing them to give up a first-round draft pick (although the penalties were later greatly reduced).
In doing this, the league also chose not to re-visit or impose penalties upon Vancouver, Detroit, Chicago, or any of the other teams that had signed similar contracts. They seemed to be a drawing a very clear line in the dirt; contracts like Luongo’s were the limit of what was acceptable, whereas Kovalchuk’s contract had gone too far. The league had established a specific standard.
This article explains exactly why Kovalchuk’s contract was rejected, while Luongo’s was not:
This, of course, changed with the new CBA, which introduced the recapture penalty, retroactively punishing the Canucks and other teams. Most infuriatingly, these punishments came for contracts that had been approved not just once, after their initial signing, but a second time by the whole rigmarole surrounding Kovalchuk. The league deemed these contracts acceptable, and teams therefore took advantage of them, and now the league has changed their mind, yet it is the teams that must pay a penalty? Is it not the league that made a mistake in this situation?
The Arizona Double-Standard
Perhaps the greatest injustice of this, as mentioned in u/Karvalegoff’s post on canucks, is that the league continues to allow teams to circumvent the salary cap in a different way. Teams like the Arizona Coyotes are continually attempting to ice a roster that falls below the league’s salary cap floor. They do this by acquiring players, like Chris Pronger and Pavel Datsyuk, who no longer play in the NHL but have their full cap hits counted against the salary cap. The Coyotes, meanwhile, do not have to pay these players any actual salary, as Pronger’s is covered by insurance and Datsyuk has forfeited his paycheque. The league, so far, has done nothing to prevent this nor even spoke out against the practice.
In other words, the league is comfortable with a team circumventing the cap in order to ice a less-talented and less-entertaining team that league rules dictate, but feels the need to harshly punish teams that circumvent the cap in order to ice a more talented, competitive, and entertaining product. What sort of message does this send to the fans? Teams can circumvent the rules, but only when they’re doing so in order to create an inferior product for the paying customers.
It must be noted that some have suggested ways for the Canucks and other teams to avoid the recapture penalty. Whenever Luongo decides to retire, the Canucks could conceivably trade for him and place him on permanent LTIR, aka the Pronger Retirement Plan. Chances are good that Luongo’s body will prevent him from playing goal at some point in his future, so it might not even require too much of a stretch to get him on LTIR. However, if the Canucks are unable to pull that off, you can bet money that they will make a legal challenge of the rule before they face any actual penalties from it. Given the evidence presented here, it seems likely that the Canucks would win such a challenge. One would hope this is true, especially given the fact that while the Canucks current management team are not the ones who signed the Luongo contract, the league’s front office is largely unchanged from the group that approved the contract in multiple ways.
Next up for http://hockeytalkie.wordpress.com is a look at Radim Vrbata and his fall from grace/relevance. Just how unique of a downfall is it?
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Welcome to RHC, a New User's Guide to the Sub

Boys, it's Christmas time we know what that means New User Fest 2016. Before we have members absolutely lose it over posts about synergies, DC, Hero/Sets and more let's remember we had questions when we first started the game give these guys a break.
New Users welcome to the /NHLHUT community the best place to go for all things HUT. Get familiar with our rules and if you have a question check here first, people here will get annoyed if they see the same question asked multiple times in a row, checking the FAQ or using the search bar(top right of page) helps keep the sub clutter and headache free.
First Time In Game Ok you just got Nhl 17 and you have questions regarding HUT Like what are all of these new Synergies? Why is this game so annoying? How do I make coins? and so on...
Synergies Synergies have replaced Chemistry, no longer do you need player in position no more Ply-Ply-Snp combos, you can play any one any where, with that position , change team and captaincy cards are gone. To get boosts on your players you need to activate their unique synergies. Base cards have 1 synergy either a team or individual synergy Here is Ea's break down of synergies it explains what each are and gives examples of players who have those synergies, also the in game synergy glossary gives a run down of each synergy. Special Cards give more synergies they vary from having 1 synergy that grants (+2) towards a synergy up to 4 synergies granting anywhere from (1 to 3 points) being a mix of team and individual synergies. Your goal is to find the best mix of players and synergies that match your play style allowing you to be the best player you can be. Some good ones to start out are speedster (improved speed, acceleration and agility), wicked wrister (improved wrist shot stats) and dirty dangler (increased puck control, deking, and hand eye) these basic synergies help out as you find what kind of player you are.
First Game Well it's puck drop game 1 and wow you just realized you cannot make passes and your defense men AI are getting burned.. this is some bullshit isn't it. Well, no. NHL 17 is different. The first week of this game was the most frustrated I got, as well aw many other, in any NHL game. While the 1-4 defensive zone and Skill Zone work to an extent a lot of rush chances and quick break outs can make or break you this year. NHL 17 forces you to control the last man back (This can be done by holding RT/R2 down) because if you rely on your AI you will get burned. Other Notes Cross Crease while still OP have been nerfed a little with the tie up system but still are the most popular way to score, the fore-hand/back-hand breakaway still works but this year point shots are juiced. One Timers from the point go in more than ever so if you just like to cover the slot bombs from the blue line will be your enemy, you have to cover the point this year.
How do you make coins Alright you played a few games and want to improve the team but your coin total is low what do you do. Well I would say 59th minute, however EA eliminated the LPS on cards so you won't know if there are steals up. I suggest stockpile coins in DIV 9 and 10 learn how you play are use your free team as long as possible. Contracts have been over priced all year and just like every year not having contracts means you can't play, so set aside some coins to goes to those. Next study the market most 85-87ovr rares go for 1k or less unless you see 87's at 600 buy now or less I advise not to buy them if you intend on re-selling them for a profit. Do not bank on packs to deliver high end pulls they are a waste of coins and can be killers to someone starting out. Once you have learned the market and gained coins go to the auction house get to that 59th minute and find steals or go through your collection and sell unwanted jerseys logos and players, those can be huge profits for you when people looking to complete sets need that last jersey thats when you strike gold.
Wait what is a set Sets replaced the normal collections from previous HUTs, this year you turn in players, logos, jerseys, arenas and special collectibles for a 94ovr Hero and Hero Collectible(this is un-tradeable and no one knows what they are for EA just says hold onto them). However once you complete a set the cards you put in are gone for good so do not lend players to people so they can complete a set it doesn't work like that anymore they are trying to scam you.
Other sets include gold and carbon collectibles, here you trade in 10 coaches, 10 logos, 10 jerseys or 10 arenas to a gold collectible, 10 gold collectibles give you a carbon collectible, these are used to complete sets and are potential money makers if you have them but do not want/need a limited edition player in special sets.
Special Sets include the Gift of Giving Set you see out now. These require a variety of items to complete from getting a new jersey to a 91 Dan Boyle each require different items which are displayed in the set itself. Note special player sets can only be done once, other sets like the 10 commons for 1 rare player can be done once every hour. I advise doing the player for jersey set since everyone who participates in the gift of giving set will receive the reward posted on the HUB of HUT, (currently its a free 95 overall Mike Richards, 8 Rare players and 1 88+Overall player.) The more G.o.G sets done the higher the rewards.
Other Notes regarding HUT Everytime you win a division title you receive an untradeable pack containing 3 items people have gotten some nice pulls this year, props to EA for doing it.
Draft Champions is fun, for about 2 days and rewards are a grind to get to, especially if you lose in the first game you get 100 coins not that great. It is fun for people that can't afford higher end cards or for players looking to try out some star players before buying them for their personal team.
Milestone cards still exist and Hutdb has a milestone tracker here, ello_its_me has daily POTG (player of the Game) threads up that tracks players that can get a special card from having a great game, these are both great resources to go to for tracking possible special items.
Hutdb also offer team building so if you are looking to piece together a team use this before you buy players to see how they and their synergies work within your squad.
Do not rely on packs to make your team great, and be careful on how much real $$ gets spent in a blink of an eye you bet out $100 bucks and got nothing in return, I've been there kinda sucks.
Other than that enjoy the game it is frustrating at first but once you get used to it, this is one of the best HUT's EA has made in a while.
RHC Tips If you want to get noticed in game by fellow RHC (RHC - Reddit Hockey Club) members put RHC in either your team name or as your abbreviation, its a great way to interact with people in game and meet new people.
You're new to the sub people here can be dicks to new people, do not let a few down votes to comments scare you away most of the guys here are great.
If you are looking to buy/sell/trade players go to the trade thread here select your console and post a comment do not hit submit a new post it will appear in the main thread then get taken down by the AutoModerator, also people will down vote it and you will lose karma.
Participate, I cannot stress that enough, be respectable and comment on post get to know people most of us are here to help. You won't get anywhere in the sub by just scrolling through post and not saying anything. If you do post again check to see if it has been asked before, if you are looking for help give details post that say "I need team help" and give nothing else usually do not get replies, help us help you.
If you are looking to buy coins or players with real money, there is a place that may or may not exist called /hutcoinsales go there. You will have to pay first since you are new and some sellers are weary of new people so get a HUTRep here and ALWAYS check a person's rep before you make a transaction, scammers like to make accounts similar to known sellers and steal people's coins and money, be smart always double check.
Other than that Welcome Post a Comment if you need help either I or another member would be more than happy to help or shoot me a PM, and I can do my best to help.
Once again Welcome to the RHC community and happy HUTing
EDIT spelling mistakes
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150+ teams in 150+ days: NC State Wolfpack

NC State Wolfpack
Atlantic Coast Conference
Year Founded:1887
Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
Student Body Size:~25,000 undergraduate, ~9,500 graduate
Mascot:Mr. Wuf & Mrs. Wuf, Bonus: live mascot, Tuffy
Cheerleaders:pic 1, pic 2, Dance Team
Fight Song:Fight Song, Red and White song, Bonus: For cuteness
Arena:PNC Arena, PNC on gameday
Arena Location: about 4 miles from campus, right next to our football stadium, Carter-Finley. PNC Arena is also used by the NHL's Carolina Hurricanes.
Conference Championships: Conference Tournament(17) Southern Conference (7), 1929, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952. ACC (10) 1954, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1965, 1970, 1973, 1974, 1983, 1987. Regular Season (7) 1955, 1956 (co-champ), 1959 (co-champ), 1973, 1974, 1985 (co-champ), 1989
National Titles: (2) 1974, 1983
2012-2013 season
Record: 24-11
Coach: Mark Gottfried, assisted by Orlando Early, Bobby Lutz, and Rob Moxley
Key Players: Lorenzo Brown, Jr. PG, CJ Leslie, Jr F, Richard Howell, Sr F.
Biggest Moments Knocking off #1 Duke in Raleigh 84-76
defeating UNC in Raleigh 91-83
Making the NCAA tournament - This is one that might be a bit confusing to some, since our season was so disappointing. But considering where we were just 3 years ago, the fact that making it to back-to-back NCAA tournaments and getting an #8 seed makes us a terribly disappointing team shows how far we have gone in just three years. No one in Raleigh is satisfied where we are right now, but we know that we are on our way.
2013-2014 season
Roster: 2013-14 roster
Schedule: Schedule not released as of yet, confirmed OOC opponents include Northwestern (ACC-B1G Challenge), Tennessee, Cincinatti, Missouri, Florida Gulf-Coast, Detroit, George Mason, Appalachian State, Campbell, and North Carolina Central.
The Greats
Greatest Games
NC State 103 Maryland 100 OT 1974 ACC Championship game
Many dubbed this as the greatest game ever played at that time. Back when conferences could only send 1 team to the NCAA tournament and the ACC had 4 teams in the top 10 that year. NC State and Maryland were both ranked in the top 4 or 5 almost all year, and met with everything on the line, as only one team could move on. The linked John Feinstein article can do the game more justice than I can.
NC State 80 UCLA 77 2 OT 1974 Final 4
What many viewed as the title game that year. I bet most people other than State and Marquette fans even know that NC State beat Marquette in the final. Most people I know assume we beat UCLA that year in the final, and it's because of the greatness of this game.
NC State 52 Houston 50, 1983 NCAA championship game
One of biggest upsets in NCAA history. Similar to our 1974 semifinal with UCLA, everyone considered the matchup between Houston and Louisville to be the seminal title game, as it was assumed that either team would smash NC State. Then the miracle occurred. If watching Jim Valvano run around, desperately searching for someone to hug, doesn't make you smile, then i'm not sure what will.
NC State 69 Pepperdine 67 2 OT NCAA 1st round NC State came back from a 8 pt deficit with under a minute to go, and won the game in double overtime.
Greatest Players:
David "Skywalker" Thompson 1972-1975)
Greatest Player in NC State history. One of the best in NCAA history. 1st overall pick in 1975 NBA draft. If his career weren't derailed by his addiction problems he would likely have gone down as one of the greatest in the NBA as well. Many believe that the obsession and measuring of vertical leap in the NBA began because of him. Video discussing his jumping
Dereck Whittenburg 1979-1983
Mr. Clutch on the 1983 title team. whenever the team needed a clutch basket, the ball was always in his hands. Phenomenal shooter.
Chris Corchiani 1988-1991
The "fire" of the "fire and ice" backcourt with Rodney Monroe. He was a sparkplug of the later Valvano teams, adn was the soul of those teams. As of his graduation he was the NCAA D1's all time career assist leader although he was passed a few years later by Bobby Hurley from Duke. He still sits 2nd all time.
Other Notable players: Dick Dickey, Tom Burleson, Monte Towe, Thurl Bailey, Sidney Lowe, Rodney Monroe, Tom Gugliotta, Julius Hodge
Greatest CoachesEverett Case 1946-1964
One of the founding father's of ACC basketball. He is often credited with the rise in popularity of basketball in North Carolina. He is also credited with starting practices such as cutting down the nets after winning a championship, and shining a spotlight on players during introductions. He won 6 Southern conference championships, 4 ACC championships, and was inducted into the basketball hall of fame in 1982. Legend has it that he asked to be buried facing Highway 70, so that he could cheer on the Wolfpack as they travelled down the road towards Durham and Chapel Hill.
Norm Sloan 1966-1980
Took NC State to new heights, culminating in the 1974 NCAA championship. He won 3 ACC titles in his career, in 1970, 1973, and 1974. Known as "Stormin Norman" for his legendary battles with Dean Smith at UNC and Lefty Driesell at Maryland. Also legendary for his famous sportscoat. He was famous for never signing a contract with NC State. At the end of every season he walked into the AD's office and asked him if they were on for another year. Upon finding out that he was earning far less than rivals Smith and Driesell he began disputing with the AD, and ultimately resigned and began coaching at Florida. his resignation ultimately led to us hiring...
Jim Valvano 1980-1990
Jimmy V. The one and only. Had one of the largest personalities I can rfemember in College coaching. Famous not only for winning the 1983 NCAA title, but also for his public bout with cancer. His ESPY speech will go down in history as one of the best inspiration speeches ever. To learn more about the cause he championed so greatly, please visit his foundation site. Jimmy V Foundation
Greatest Rivalries
NC State vs UNC In recent years this has been more fierce on the football field, but it is a rivalry in most every sport. Some younger UNC fans will try to argue that it is not a rivalry, but anyone who knows the history of the two schools knows how big of a rivalry this is. Just ask Roy Williams.
NC State vs Duke A rivalry borne mostly out of proximity and a mutual hatred of UNC. There is a rivalry none the less. Going back to Norm Sloan and Vic Bubas. They were college teammates at NC State, Bubas went on to coach Duke, Sloan to NC state and they had many classic matchups. [Duke's site explains it far more in depth]{http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=205078966).
  1. During the National Anthem, everyone in the student section and many of the rest of the crowd, yell out "RED!" when the national anthem reaches "Rocket's red glare", and then end it with "Home of the Wolfpack!" Some have said its offensive, but I tell them to get that stick out of their ass.
  2. The band performs a "fast fight song" at each game where they sprint to the four sides of the court and play a very fast version. Then they spring back to their corner, and begin to play a very slow version while the crowd claps slowly. the clapping slowly picks up as the band's speed picks up and its time so they are back to normal speed when we yell out "GO State" in the song. Video
Non-Sports traditions
  1. Krispy Kreme Challenge
The original. 5 miles, 12 doughnuts, 1 hour. Can you do it?
  1. Hillsborough Hike-Every holiday and other random times, students go to Hillsborough St. adjacent to main campus for a huge bar crawl. Biggest ones are Halloween and the end of Fall term.
Campus and surrounding area
City Population: ~420,000
City Skyline: Daytime, Nighttime
I think Main Campus is too big for one pic, but here is a sizable portion of it Main Campus, and here is Centennial Campus
Iconic Buildings: James B. Hunt Library. Robots grab your books for you. That's right.
DH Hill Library
SAS Hall
Court of Carolina, overlooked by 1911 building
The Memorial Belltower
Local Dining Amadeo's Italian
Covered with NC State athletic regalia. Good food, great atmosphere. very close to campus.
The Player's Retreat
Good food, good beer specials. Very close to campus. Legendary history with the university.
Classic burgers and fries done '60's style.
Sammy's Grill
Typical bar food, but its a great atmosphere on game days.
Cueva de Lobos
Mexican place that caters to students with great beer specials and great food.
Two Guys Pizza
Mitch's Tavern
Located on Hillsborough St, Mitch's serves excellent food on top of some great beer specials. The famous bar scene in Bull Durham was filmed here.
Hillsborough Street, which runs adjacent to Main Campus, has dozens of restaurants and bars.
What is and What is to come
For many the 2012-2013 season was a bitter disappointment. A season that began with so much hope and so much promise ended suddenly in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. It speaks to how quickly we have started to get back on our feet after some down times, that 24 wins and an 8 seed in the tourney can be considered an utter failure, but a failure is what it was. Outside of Richard Howell, who constantly amazed the ACC with his effort, tenacity, and outstanding rebounding, it's difficult to pick out any other NC State player and say that they improved from 2011 to now. Leslie and Brown seemed to have stagnated in their growth, or even regressed. Scott Wood has always been a great shooter, but never was able to add much else to his game. Rodney Purvis didn't really live up to the expectations that were laid on him as he got to campus. There were some highs, such as beating Duke and UNC in the same year for the first time since 2003. The Wolfpack also became the 9th team in ACC history to have four 1,000 point scorers on the team at the same time (Wood, Leslie, Brown, Howell).
The 2013-14 season will see a new beginning and a new era in Raleigh. 5 of our top 6 players from last season are now gone, including Leslie and Brown leaving early, Howell and Scott Wood graduating, and Rodney Purvis transferring. NC State adds a good recruiting class led by MCD's all-american Anthony "Cat" Barber to pair with good returners Tyler Lewis and TJ Warren. TJ Warren will be asked to shoulder much of the scoring load this season, as most of the points from last year are gone, but scoring is something that he is particularly adept at. Tyler Lewis and Cat Barber will give us our PG play, and LSU transfer Ralston Turner and JUCo pickup Desmond Lee will add to Warren on the wings. A trio of freshman will pair with senior benchwarmer extraordinaire Jordan vandenberg, 4 star recruits BeeJay Anya and Kyle Washington, and 3 star Lennard Freeman. This season should be an interesting one for the Wolfpack, as many newcomers and freshman will be asked to play huge minutes. The early season should be a struggle as the guys are learning, but there is certainly talent there if they are able to figure it out.
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Who Could/Should the Flyers take in the Draft (more than just the 1st Round)

With the draft starting tomorrow I thought I'd take a look at who the Flyers could draft.
Sorry up front for poor grammar. I've done this over a few days and I'm usually hopping from tab to tab.
7th Overall
We've been talking about who the Flyers could take at 7th since before the season ended. There is not a lot I could say here that hasn't been said before on this sub. But I thought I'd lay it out there.
Ivan Provorov (D) - His great offensive prowess is matched by his suffocating D. A tremendous prospect but one has to wonder if the Flyers aren't going to try and bolster their forward prospect corp.
Mathew Barzal (C) - A great playmaking center; after coming off an injury he averaged 1.625 points per game over his last 24 games.
Mikko Rantanen (F) - The Finnish winger made a big impact with TPS this season. He finished 2nd on the team in scoring and wore the A most of the season.
Lawson Crouse (LW) - Probably the most controversial player in the draft. He's got the lowest ceiling of most players going in the top 14 but he probably has the highest floor outside of McDavid and Eichel.
Zach Werenski (D) - He put 9 goals and 25 points as a 17 year old with Michigan this season. To put in perspective how crazy young he is, Werenski could graduate at a younger age than Matt Read started college.
Pavel Zacha (F) - Zacha is a tough nut. He has raw superstar potential but had more trouble transitioning to North American play than most people expected. Most rankings have him outside the top 10, except for Bob McKenzie who has him ranked 6th meaning most teams are still really high on him. I wouldn't be surprised if the Flyers picked him at 7.
Have to Reach - Scott Laughton, Sam Morin, and Travis Sanheim were all ranked lower than the Flyers spot so it's not out of the question that the Flyers prefer someone who is a few spots down on most pundits rankings. Kyle Connor might be the most underrated player in the top 15. Tons of skill, great vision, and a great two way game. Timo Meier has a knack for the net but the knock against him is that he only put up points playing on a line with Nikolaj Ehlers (but when Ehlers missed some time with an injury Meier's production stayed the same). Colin White put up good numbers this past year but has put up great numbers in international tournaments. And darkest dark horse Evgeny Svechnikov a big framed sniper with a high ceiling.
Hextall recently said that the team really needs to hit in this draft. You can read that as him saying they need to hit a home run and go with the highest ceiling; you can read that as him saying they can't afford to miss so they'll go with the safest pick. Personally I think that means he's going for a guy with a higher ceiling.
Who I Think They Will Take: Mathew Barzal. There are no real bad options but I think they will ultimately look to grab a dynamic offensive producer. Why no Provorov? If he's on the board I think the Flyers will grab him but my gut says he wont make it down to 7th.
29th Overall
The later half of the first round is usually subject to more turmoil than earlier half. But the more draft rankings you look at this year the more you see nobody really has a great idea of what's going to happen.
Oliver Kylington (D) - A lot of people know Kylington because he was projected as a top 10 pick in the first half of the season. An injury kept him out a good chunk of the season including the WJC and I believed that helped his drop in the rankings (he dropped from around 7-8 to around 11-12 from the December-January rankings when he was injured). Being sent from Farjestad in the SHL to AIK in Sweden's second league plus having a lack luster U-18 World Championships further drove him down in most draft rankings. Bob McKenzie still has Kylington ranked in the upper 20s while some rankings, including ISS, have him ranked outside the first round. Kylington still has that top half skill and if he falls to the Flyers at 29th he could be a steal. Though if the Flyers go for a D with the 7th pick I think it'll be unlikely they go with another defenseman with the 29th pick even if its Kylington.
Denis Guryanov (W) - Guryanov (or Gurianov depending on where you read it) is another guy that would have to drop a little bit for him to reach the 29th pick. Incredibly talented with speed and a great shot. He was a late riser up draft ranking during the year (he was thought of as a second rounder for most of the season) but now most places have him ranked in the early 20s. The Russian Factor is waning but it might just be strong enough to have Guryanov slip right down to the Flyers.
Jansen Harkins (C) - Harkins great vision and a great playmaking ability make Harkins one of the best players available in the late first rounds. While most rankings have him in the mid twenties McKenzie's ranking has him at 30 putting him right in the Flyers wheelhouse. He also has a strong defensive game and a great work ethic. He's like a more talented Scott Laughton.
Brock Boeser (RW) - A top end goal scorer. Can crash the net and get dirty goals and can snipe from distance. One thing to note about Boeser, he's committed to playing at North Dakota next season meaning he had to have been recruited by Hakstol. Boeser probably wont be NHL ready for another 3 to 4 years so Hakstol may not even be with the team at that point but I bet Hexy will get Haksy's opinion on UND's star recruit.
Jake Debrusk (LW) - Tough, hard working two way winger who really has a scoring touch. Debrusk pocketed 19% of his teams goals this season, second highest percentage in the WHL behind only Oliver Bjorkstrand who was better than goal a game. But Chicago and Tampa Bay showed that a elite two way winger (Hossa and Palat respectively) are possibly the best compliment to a superstar pair.
Daniel Sprong (RW) - Sprong has been the focal point for his teams offense for two seasons now. He was considered a top tier talent at the start of the year but has slowly slipped probably because he didn't haven't as big a break out as people might have expected. He still has elite skill and would be a great player to grab late in the first round.
Jeremy Roy (D) - He's got the offensive abilities to be a stand out offensive defenseman and the positioning to make him a great defensive defenseman. High ceiling and a high floor. He's also a stud on the power play. He finished 7th in the Q in PP assists even though he missed about a third of the season. He may not end up being the Flyers top PP guy in the future (especially with Sanheim and Gostisbehere) and doesn't have a big booming slap shot but his ability to make crisp accurate passes from the blue line is definitely something the team that drafts him could build upon. Again I don't know if the Flyers will go after 2 defenseman in the first round so if they grab a D at 7th it's unlikely the go after him. But he does have great potential and is more likely to be on the board than Kylington.
Jack Roslovic (F) - Gritty forward who is probably destined to play wing in the NHL. He finished 2nd in points on the US National Development team in USHL play. Expected to go later than the 29th pick he could be a player the Flyers like based on his grittiness and production.
Jacob Larsson (D) - Great speed and vision but an unpolished offensive producer. That said he is great in his own zone but isn't a stay at home shot blocker. He's kind of like Hampus Lindholm or Jonas Brodin in that his defense is further along than his offense (at least at the time of the draft) but has the right skill set to develop a bit more offense. Pretty unlikely but could be a guy that strikes the Flyers offense.
Anthony Beauvillier (F) - If the Flyers reach I think Beauvillier is the most promising if not most likely option. Small but has game breaking ability. Speed, hands, and can snipe. His size could be an issue but I think more teams will be more open minded about taking an incredibly skilled if fairly small forward.
Daniel Vladar (G) - Goalies are hard to predict in a lot of ways. Draft position wise Vladar could jump up earlier into the first round or he could fall all the way out of the second round. They are also the hardest position to project. In the 2000 Draft Brent Krahn went 9th Overall while Henrik Lundqvist went 205th. There is a lot to like about Vladar's raw skill. And if he impressed Euro goalie scout Antero Niittymaki and in turn Hextall enough they could grab Vladar because he likely wont be around when the 61st pick rolls around.
Erik Cernak (D) - If you've followed the big international junior tournaments than you probably know Cernak. He's been the great Slovak hope for a few years. Playing in the U18 World Championship at 15 and the U20 at 16 made some pretty big waves. Those waves have kept Cernak on most teams radars even if most draft rankings barely mention him at all. In January Bob McKenzie still had him ranked as a first rounder. McKenzie has him ranked 41st in his final draft rankings. Even though he's played at a high level for years he is still very raw. He could turn into one of the best defensemen to come out of this draft or he could barely make a blip in the NHL. That high end potential could woo the Flyers but it's pretty unlikely they take him at 29th.
Who I Think They Will Take: Jake Debrusk. I definitely wont be disappointed if Harkins, Boeser, or Sprong is taken. There are a lot of very talented players and they are all very close. I just think taking a two way winger who can bucket a ton of goals will really help the Flyers a few years down the road.
61st Overall
The further we get into the draft the harder it will be to predict who will be available. A passionate scout, a player having the right game in front of the right set of eyes, or team having a long gap between picks could see an unexpected player jump way up on draft day. I'm listing these players like they are on a draft board. Better players are higher even if it's less likely they will be available when the Flyers pick. And my basis for whether or not they may be available is based on Bob McKenzie's rankings.
Jeremy Bracco (RW) - Some rankings have Bracco listed as being a mid first rounder; a testament to his immense talent. Standing at only 5'9 two inches could possibly be the only thing separating him from being significantly higher pick. Bracco would have to fall a ways to reach the Flyers at 61st Overall. McKenzie has him listed at 53rd but he does have the type of talent that could make other teams jump up and grab him even earlier than that. But size still might be an issue for some teams and he could slip down to the Flyers pick.
Ryan Pilon (D) - A smooth skating defenseman who along with Ivan Provorov made up one of the best D pairs in the entire CHL. Pilon was the guy who would hang back but his speed and smarts allowed him to handle that pressure of being the guy who was sometimes the last man back. Not projected to be a big time scorer but he does have the offensive skill to build upon. If the Flyers go with Provorov with the 7th Overall I would be really interested to see if they could keep their pair together cause it was really strong. Even if the Flyers don't grab Provorov at 7th taking Pilon at the end of the second round is still a great choice (if Pilon falls to them).
Thomas Novak (C) - Project by most to be a mid second rounder (though he's ranked 57th by McKenzie) Novak has top end talent and great intelligence. Quite a high ceiling for someone who could easily go this late in the draft. He does have a ways to go to reach that potential but a few years at Minnesota could get him there.
Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson - The Swedes have been great at producing 2-way forward prospects over the last few drafts. Karlsson has some pretty good skill, strong defensive instincts, and a great work ethic. Playing last year in the USHL and is going to play at Boston University in the fall. Speaking of fall, Karlsson will have to fall a bit to reach the Flyers but he does seem like kind of player the Flyers would grab if available.
Jordan Greenway (LW) - 6'5 and over 220 lbs this power forward has tons of potential. Great speed and a great passer makes him more than just a big body in front of the net. Greenway was ranked in the top 15 at the start of the season but has fallen all the way to 62nd in McKenzie's final ranking. Consistency issues, a lack of goals, and possibly unreasonable expectations led to his free fall in the rankings. The potential is for Greenway is definitely still there.
Alexander Dergachyov (F) - Another big body power forward who also mixes his size with speed and skill. Dergachyov has some slick hands that really help around the net. Not dissimilar from Wayne Simmonds. Another player that would have to slip a bit to reach the Flyers but is more likely to fall because the previously mentioned Russian Factor.
Filip Ahl (W) - The third player in a row that is a 6'4 and over 200 lbs. Ahl had the best season of the two previous entries and equally high of a ceiling. Good vision and good hands if not as good as Greenway's and Dergachyov's respectively. While not being a standout he is incredibly efficient in all aspects of his game. While be consistently ranked as an early 2nd rounder McKenzie didn't rank him in the top 75 in his last ranking. I don't think it would be too surprising if the Flyers grabbed Ahl even if they took him over more touted players like Greenway and Dergachyov.
Matej Tomek (G) - Tomek was brought up a few weeks ago in this sub when someone posted that the Flyers were the only team to meet with him at the combine. The Slovak put up great numbers playing in the NAHL last season (1.83 GAA and a .928 Sv%). Another player committed to North Dakota next season and thus recruited by Hakstol. With Hobey Baker Nominee Zane McIntyre signing with Boston Tomek has a good chance at winning the starting job coming out of camp. If the Flyers grab I think it's more likely they wait to see if he falls to 70th but if they are high on him they could grab him at the end of the 2nd round.
Roope Hintz (F) - Finnish forward who can really finish (see what I did? Finnish/finish. We have fun). All word play a side the large framed forward has a knack for finishing a strong defensive game. He could be compared with the other big forwards Greenway, Dergachyov, and Ahl, but Hintz is more diverse. Doesn't have the slick hands or top end speed but all around strong offensively and he is easily the best defensively.
Rasmus Anderson (D) - Physical and speedy with good offensive instincts. He's strong and does a good job protecting the net but is far from a deficient skater. I definitely noticed his physical play but he is pegged more as on offensive defenseman with more work needed to round out his game.
Mitch Vande Sompel (D) - The top D on the top junior team in Canada. The undersized offensive defenseman put up great numbers last season with Oshawa. The big thing standing in MVS' way is his size. While teams may be more likely to give a small forward a chance most may still be weary of a 5'10 defenseman. He's well rounded and the Flyers might see him as a Kimmo Timonen type defenseman who can excel in both zones despite his dimunitive size.
Gabriel Gagne (F) - A lanky but strong 6'4 power forward who is good behind the net. For those keeping track at home that's five power forwards that might be available at 61st Overall. Gagne I think is at the bottom of that pile but the Flyers might see something different in his game, work ethic, or personality that puts him a the front of what is really a tightly grouped bunch of power forwards. If the Flyers go with a big guy at the end of the second round they got a lot to choose from and no real bad option, it all will come down to who they prefer.
Who I Think They Will Take: Jordan Greenway. As I just said it could be any number of big forwards. I think Greenway has the highest ceiling and the potential to still be on the board. If the Flyers don't go with a big forwards I think there is a solid chance they opt for a goalie. Matej, or even Vladar or MacKenzie Blackwood if they are still on the board.
70th Overall
This pick's closeness makes it possible for some of the people listed above to fall the the Flyers third round pick. Again the later we go the more speculative these players positioning gets.
Nikita Korostelev **(RW)* - Really good at getting open and getting a good shot off. Some games I saw with Sarnia Korostelev impressed me as much as Zacha (though that might have come from me watching Zacha with a more critical eye). A guy with good offensive instincts outside the high scoring zones are hard to come by and a guy who can mix that with a great shot has a lot to build upon.
Kyle Capobianco (D) - Quite the offensive defenseman who had been hid on one of the worst junior teams in recent memory. Capobianco helped produce 26.8% of Sudbury's total offense this past season which is one of the highest percentages in the whole draft. There was recently an article on hockey that mentioned he could grow into a more defensively sound player his offensive instincts should definitely put him on the Flyers radar at 70th Overall. It's easier to teach defense than offense.
Yakov Trenin (C) - A good two-way game Trenin uses his big frame to protect the puck and work opponents off the puck. Not a bruiser but he can play physical with some solid skill to build upon. He's a pretty good passer but I think an underrated shooter.
Blake Speers (F) - It's not much to read into but in 2011-12 when Speers was a Bantam he scored 86 goals and 167 points in 37 games in his league. Speers is a hard worker with good skill who may have had a harder time adjusting to the OHL than most (if you call 67 points in 57 games in his draft year struggling). His ceiling is pretty high but even if he doesn't reach it his work ethic could make a valuable contributor in the future.
Brendan Guhle (D) - The prototypical nasty WHL defenseman. Definitely a guy who is good in his own end and put up some impressive numbers later in the season. In the last two months of his season he put up 15 points in 22 games. If his offense continues to grow he could end up being a steal.
Erik Foley (LW) - A little physical, a little bit of a pest, but definitely knows how to find the back of the net. Though he's under six feet tall he has a drive to the net that could make him a handful. Similar I think to Andrew Shaw who is also not the biggest guy put can really do work in front of the net.
Samuel Montembeault (G) - His good size and quick clean movements could have easily put him on the Flyers radar. He back stopped the team that gave up the fewest goals in the QMJHL. But the one thing that could really help Montembeault is the Flyers connection to his team Blainville-Boisbriand Armada. One of the Armada's owners is the Flyers own Ian Laperriere. Whether it's at Lappy's suggestion or not the Flyers have given shots to many Armada players in the past. Previously they have brought players like Christopher Clapperton and Nikita Jevpalovs to rookie camp and recently signed BB's best player Danick Martel. The eyes have definitely been on Montembeault this past year and if those eyes liked what they've seen Montembeault could be the Flyers' preferred goalie in this draft.
Robin Kovacs (RW) - With 17 goals and 28 points made Kovacs one of the top scorers coming out of a European professional league. Slick hands, a great shot, and a well rounded defensive game gives Kovacs a lot of potential going forward. His lack of top end speed speed and diminutive weight has pushed him down further than his stats imply he should be, but with this kid's shot and skill he would be worth taking the risk on.
Jens Looke (W) - Flyers eyes will have definitely been on Looke this season. He played with Oskar Lindblom at both the club and international level. He played a checking role on the Swedish World Junior team and still managed two pick up 3 goals. With Brynas he, like Lindblom, bounced around the line up a little bit but he mostly skated in the bottom six. Most talk about him as been his playmaking ability; something that really couldn't shine through playing against men. It's still quite impressive for a player of his age to play a whole season in the SHL.
Parker Wotherspoon (D) - Projected to be more of a defensive defenseman Wotherspoon does have some tools that could turn him into a well rounded defenseman. Good speed and a lack of size (6'0 and around 170 lbs) means he isn't a boat anchor attached to the offensive rush. His offensive skills are rough but that didn't stop him from putting up points in the WHL and team Canada at U-18s (where he tied for the team lead in points among defensemen). Could have tons upside and his defensive prowess could draw the Flyers attention.
Who I Think They Will Take: Samuel Montembeault. Matej Tomek might still be on the board as well. I think the question most people will have with me is that now the Flyers are through 4 picks and have not taken a single defenseman. It is our biggest weakness as a team but our biggest strength in our prospect pool. I think they will lean more towards offense in this draft. They easily go with defense especially if defensemen like Provorov and Kylington are available when the Flyers pick in the first round.
90th, 98th, and 99th Overall
Such a tight grouping of picks gives the Flyers an interesting opportunity. In 2013 the Flyers took Tyrell Goulbourne in the 3rd Round because they didn't have a selection for another 50 picks. A "safe" pick for a player projected to be a depth role player. With the opposite situation of an overwhelming number of picks (plus a management change) the Flyers could use a couple picks to shoot for the moon on high risk high reward players.
Dmytro Timashov (W) - Great hands, great speed, and great vision. The Swedish national is the go to boom or bust guy in this draft. Tons of offense but standing a hair over 5'9 and a lack of a well rounded game not is probably what pushed him down. I've seen him play a bunch and I'm really amazed this guy is projected to go so low. He may never play a game in the NHL but if he does he could be an offensive star.
Loik Leveille (D) - There is an awful lot to like about Leveille. Good positioning defensively, good instinct offensively, and skill that helps him at both ends of the rink. Why would such a player Leveille fall to the 4th round? Lack of great speed mostly. Leveille isn't that big standing only around 6'0 but is listed at 220 lbs. If he doesn't pick up speed he may never make it to the NHL but I'm all for taking a guy with the two way skill of Leveille.
Troy Terry (C) - Speedy with a knack for putting the puck in the net Terry has a good amount of skill for a player that could go so late. One of the things that interest me about Terry is how a new opportunity could cause him to sky rocket. He was pushed down the line up at the National Development team playing behind a number of early round picks. He is also one of the youngest players in the draft (if he was a born a week later he wouldn't be eligible for this draft). The mix of skill and potential would definitely make him somebody the Flyers could look at.
Jesper Lindgren (D) - Tons of speed and offensive instincts gives Lindgren a very high ceiling. Sweden is great at developing well rounded two way players so while his offense is what gets attention he is far from defensively deficient. Highest scoring under 18 defenseman in the Swedish junior league. Could slip because he's ranked outside of the top 100 in most rankings I could easily see the Flyers taking him in the 90s.
Conor Garland (RW) - The QMJHL's leading scorer went unselected his first time through the draft last year. Very small (only 5'8) but with a lot of skill and a good work ethic. Even though small players are all the rage it would still take a lot of development to turn this player into a top end player. But his skill definitely makes him worth it.
Anthony Richard (C) - Another undersized point producer from the QMJHL. Richard was teammates with Nicolas Aube-Kubel so the Flyers probably got a great look at the speedy undersized sniper. I don't think he has as much skill Aube-Kubel (but I'm a lot higher than most people on NAK) but Richard has got a really excellent shot. He his speed and shot should have put him a lot higher but his size (5'9/165lbs) have where the Flyers could take a flyer on a quality player.
Radovan Bondra (W) - The big Slovak winger could be the sleeper power forward in the draft. Much like the power forwards I mentioned around the 2nd round Bondra (no relation to Peter Bondra) has good speed and a good skill set to go with his big size. I thought he played well in a defensive role at the World Junior Championship so he could develop into a depth role if his offense doesn't develop.
Pavel Karnaukhov (F) - Playing on the Calgary Hitmen with Travis Sanheim and on a line most of the year with Radel Fazleev the Flyers definitely got a good look at Karnaukhov. He's hardworking two-way center (the line with him and Fazleev drew the tougher defensive assignments) but like Fazleev has the skills to develop into a bigger point producer. He's got a very good shot and isn't afraid to jam at the net to create goals.
Dylan Malmquist (C) - Arguable the top player for years at the Minnesota high school powerhouse Edina; helping them to two state championships in his time. The jump from high school to college (he'll attend Notre Dame in the fall) isn't always the easiest it's more common for players from Minnesota. High risk, high reward.
Brad Morrison (C) - Slick hands and speed are Morrison's best attributes. He really stood out when watching Prince George and earlier I though he should be ranked much higher. He does need space to really get the play going and his 161 lbs spread across his 5'11 frame makes him really light. He will definitely need to put on a good amount of weight for him to play in the NHL but I'm all for grabbing a guy with speed, hands, and a pretty good shot in the early 4th round.
Alexandar Georgiyev (G) - The small-ish Russian goalie made the decision to leave the MHL (the Russian junior league) to go play with TPS in Turku, Finland. Why? TPS goaltending coach Urpo Ylonen is a legendary goalie guru. Ylonen retired (but stayed on as an adviser) and one of his disciples took over. Development is the biggest issue in developing a talented goalie into an actual NHLer. Georgiyev could be the sleeper because of the organization he's involved in.
Adam Marsh (LW) - Though his numbers aren't as impressive as some other possible QMJHL sleepers (he scored 24 goals and 44 points in 60 games) there are a few other factors that make Marsh an interesting sleeper pick. Cutting out an ice cold stretch in the middle of the season (only having 10 points in 26 games) Marsh was point per game. You can't ignore such a bad stretch but you can try to explain it. Marsh, an American, wasn't coming from the USHL or even the NAHL but was coming from his local Midget league. Rookies in the NHL often struggle after hot starts; Marsh could be no different. If the light weight six footer puts on the weight and builds on the strong parts of his season people could look back and think how did this guy fall so far.
Andrew Mangiapane (F) - Undrafted in 2014 Mangiapane was on what was called the best line in the CHL this past season with Joseph Blandisi and Kevin Labanc. Possibly just a result of great chemistry and maybe he'll end up just being a great junior player but if the Flyers see something I wouldn't be surprised or all that upset if they grab him in the 4th round.
Caleb Jones (D) - Quite different from his older brother Seth Jones. Smaller with a slightly different developmental path Caleb put up solid if numbers for a defenseman in the USHL. One could argue that if his older brother wasn't Seth Jones he wouldn't have gotten the opportunity he has but a strong performance at the U18 World Championship (tied for the team league for points amongst defensemen) should help to quell that assumption. A strong defensive game to compliment his offensive potential makes him an interesting later round pick. He'll be moving to his brother's old team in the WHL; if he steps it up with more opportunity in a tougher league he could become quite the player.
Christopher Mastomaki (C) - A big hardworking two way center who put up good numbers in the Swedish junior league but couldn't really put up points in the Allsvenskan (Swedish 2nd league). Not the fleetest of foot but his intelligence and work ethic could have him slightly higher than the Flyers draft board than others.
Joseph Masonius (D) - He was the highest scoring defenseman on Team USA at the U17 World Hockey Championship (a team that featured Noah Hanafin and Zach Werenski). He has tons of upside but didn't preform up to expectations this season with the National Development Team or the U18 World Championships when he wasn't in the shadow of either of those two great defensemen. If the Flyers still believe in that high ceiling they could grab him with their cluster of picks in the 90s.
Casey Fitzgerald (D) - He's small but fast with a great sense for the game. His offense is continuing to develop and is heading to Boston College in the fall. He played with the National Development team along with Caleb Jones and Jason Masonius. It's hard to tell who is at the top of the pile and the Flyers probably have one they prefer over the others, but it's no guarantee they take any of them at this point in the draft.
Joseph Cecconi (D) - A smooth skating defenseman who leans more to his own end of the rink. He apparently skates well, has solid size (6'2), and is heading to Michigan in the fall. I don't know if I would draft him but he's ranked higher than most of the people I just listed so it would surprise me if the Flyers took him.
Hayden McCool (F) - I'm going to be honest, I like this player cause his name is McCool. A power forward who had a hunger and a drive for the net. There are better power forward prospects out there, but only one of them is named McCool.
Mathieu Joseph (RW) - Good skill, good shot, and late developer. He had a few stretches where he missed time due to injury. His goal scoring could definitely grab the Flyers attention but I don't think they would take him over Adam Marsh his teammate with Saint John.
Tons of talent and tons of potential. There is a chance that all of these players will be off the board when the Flyers pick at 90; there is a chance that all of these players will still be on the board after the Flyers pick at 99. Everything is up in the air at this point in the draft.
Who I Think They Will Take:
90th Overall: Loik Leveille (D)
98th Overall: Jesper Lindgren (D)
99th Overall: Brad Morrison (C)
The Later Rounds: 128th Overall, 158th Overall, and 188th Overall
We are beyond rankings at this point. Not that players at this part of the draft aren't ranked but the rankings are basically meaningless. Teams like who they like for their own reasons. I'm just going to list off a few guys that I would really like the Flyers to take a look at in this part of the draft.
Maxim Lazarev (W) is a great talent. A bit undersized and the early knock on him is that he is perimeter player more suited for Europe. Went undrafted last year. I'd say high risk, high reward, but at this point of the draft the risk isn't that high. Marcus Vela (C) is a big skilled center from the BCHL who can score dirty goals. Jiri Fronk (W) 21 year old power forward who made the move to USHL as an overager. Long way away but could play in the AHL next year. Yegor Korshkov (W) 6'3 Russian went undrafted last year but had a major year in the MHL finished with a higher PPG than first rounder Guryanov. Tanner Laczynski (C) skilled center who made an easy jump into the USHL this season. Going to Ohio State in 16-17. Samuel Laberge (RW) big hard working winger who could make a big offensive jump next season. Played at Rimouski with Sam Morin. Lucas Michaud (RW) highest scoring underage forward in the USPHL (a lower teir American junior league). Will play in the USHL next season and Maine the year after that. Daniel Muzito Bagenda (W) project as a second rounder last year and eventually went undrafted. A strong season in the Swedish junior league could put him back on the right track and on the Flyers radar. Jake Jaremko (F) Minnesota Mr. Hockey for 14-15. Hard worker with skill. Will play in the USHL next year (actually on the same team as Lucas Michaud and Daniel Vladar) and Minnesota State after that. Vyacheslav Leshchenko (RW) the hard working 20 year old Russian winger had a great World Junior tournament and had a higher PPG average than Vlad Kamenev (2nd rounder last year) in the KHL this season. Filip Pyrochta (D) was one of my favorite sleeper picks from last year who went undrafted. After a rough start transitioning to North America Pyrochta started putting up points to match his smart defensive game. Will go back to play in the Czech Extraliga next year. Karson Kuhlman (F) undersized and overage for this draft he is two way forward who had a decent freshman year at Minnesota-Duluth. Matt Schmalz (F) 6'6 who took a big step after being undrafted last year. Like Kyle Capobianco he played on a terrible Sudbury team so his numbers might don't fully live up to his potential. Michael Zipp (D) another Calgary Hitman. Physical defenseman with a good shot. More of a stay at home guy but he developed better offensively over the season and could go further. Christian Jaros (D) another sleeper I liked from last year. Hard hitting 6'3 defenseman who skates well and from what I've seen untapped offensive potential. Matthew Freytag (F) tough two-way forward who goes to the dirty areas at both ends of the rink.
And those are just some that jumped out to me. The Flyers might not be high on any of these guys but I think they have some potential.
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NHL Betting Explained This is the Betting Brain Guide to Gambling on the National Hockey League and was written to give bettors a complete understanding to betting on hockey games. The NHL is the biggest hockey league in the world and is one of the four premier sports leagues in the US – alongside the NFL, major league baseball and the NBA. Sports betting on the Internet can be a thrilling experience for anyone. If you want your sports betting experience to go off without a hitch, however, you need to find the right website. Thankfully, the Internet is home to quite a few appropriate sites that can provide users with top-notch experiences. How to bet on the NHL: Basic bet types. Money Line. Just like in soccer betting or NBA betting, the Money Line in the NHL refers to betting on who will win a match.. Handicap. Handicap betting is offered when an NHL team is a heavy favourite against their opponents. For beginning sports gamblers, moneylines (sometimes called money lines or American odds) can be confusing.Unlike point spreads, which are concerned with who wins and by how much, a moneyline is solely dependent upon who wins.Moneylines are used most commonly in low-scoring games like baseball or hockey, but they may also be used in boxing and other sports. These will all have an effect on the betting odds offered. Sharp Bettors. Another reason for movement on the betting line will be the sharp bettors, those professional players who may hold off to the last minute and bet against the public opinion. They are usually big-money players and their wager can be enough to move the lines.

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